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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

409.0. "FDDI Cluster Configuration" by SANFAN::RICHARDS_LA () Wed Dec 04 1991 21:42

 Hi There,

 My name is Laurie Richards and I'm a specialist at a customer site where we
 will soon be implementing FDDI.  We have a multi-lobed MIVC and plan to use
 FDDI between CI hubs. Our main concern is that our FDDI solution uses Cisco
 routers with encapsulating bridges and therefore the 6000s can use FDDI 
 to talk to each other, but must use their Ethernet interface to talk to 
 Ethernet nodes.  Below is our proposed cluster configuration followed by some
 questions and  concerns.  We would appreciate your answers, comments,
 additional concerns, or questions regarding our planned configuration.  Cisco
 is expected to have  translating bridges by March 1992, but our current high
 Ethernet utilization (average 45-50%; peak 75-85%) requires us to go forward
 with the FDDI  implementation immediately.  I've also submitted this note
    to the clusters note conference.  Thanks in advance for all your help.

 Thanks,

 Laurie Richards & Rob Clark
  

  Proposed Cluster Configuration Using FDDI:
  ------------------------------------------
  Our customer has purchased 5 DECconcentrator 500s and 6 Cisco AGS+ FDDI 
  Routers with bridging software to build an FDDI backbone network.  FDDI 
  controller 400s (DEMFAs) have been purchased for the 6000s. Each of the 
  Cisco routers will be configured to support 6 Ethernets and a single FDDI 
  backbone.  The plan is to leave all of the VAXes in their current locations 
  and to connect the 6000s to their own Ethernet (via the Cisco) and to the 
  FDDI backbone (via the DECconcentrators).  The hope is that the 6000s will 
  use the FDDI backbone to communicate directly with each other and will use 
  their Ethernet interface when talking to other Ethernet nodes.  Ethernet 
  traffic destined for nodes located on Ethernets attached to other Cisco 
  routers on the FDDI ring will travel accross the FDDI backbone.  The 
  following is a simplified diagram of our proposed configuration: 
  
          6000        8650 8650 8650 8650
          |  |         |    |    |    |
      ____|  |____     |    |    |    |
      |          |     |    |    |    |      BUILDING 618
    FDDI         E T H E R N E T      |
  CONCEN.        C I S C O   R O U T E R
      |		       FDDI DAS
      |			   |
   +====================================+
   |					|
   |      FDDI BACKBONE NETWORK         |
   |					|
   +====================================+
      |			   |
      |	               FDDI DAS 
    FDDI       C I S C O   R O U T E R
  CONCEN.      E T H E R N E T		    BUILDING 355
      |        |     |
      ----  ----     |
         |  |        |
         6000       8550

  
  Questions/Concerns:
  -------------------
  1. Will the above configuration work?  In short, will the 6000s know to use
 their Ethernet interface to communicate with Ethernet nodes and use their FDDI
 interface to communicate with each other?
  
  2. How do the 6000s determine which interface to use when communicating with 
  other nodes? 
  
  3. With volume shadowing can the 6000 be designated to ensure that all volume
 shadowing traffic goes over the FDDI and not the Ethernet.

                                                                          


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409.1KONING::KONINGPaul Koning, NI1DThu Dec 05 1991 11:2217
I'll leave it to the cluster wizards to answer your questions, but I'll add
a few more...

At first glance this configuration looks workable.  But I wonder if the
cisco boxes, acting as bridges, will have adequate capacity.  I understand
they are pretty fast routers, but fast routers aren't necessarily adequately
fast bridges.

As an alternative, you might consider putting DECbridges (5xx or more likely
6xx series) in parallel with the routers.  Then the routers can stick to 
routing, and the bridges can handle the other traffic.  This would require
careful filtering setup.

As yet another alternative you might avoid the cisco boxes and go for just
bridging.

	paul
409.2Clusters and FDDI/EthernetCVG::LEKASFrom the Workstation of Tony LekasFri Dec 06 1991 05:1811
	Since the VAX 6000s will only be able to see the Ethernet
only connected nodes through their Ethernet adapters the VAX
6000s will communicate with them through the Ethernet adapters.

	In general, If there is only one path between nodes the
cluster software will use that path.  If there is both an FDDI
and a Ethernet path FDDI will be used.  If there are multiple
FDDI paths, or if there is no FDDI and there are multiple
Ethernet path the path with the lowest latency will be used.

	Tony