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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

395.0. "DEMFA counter query" by KERNEL::LLOYDA (Don't worry... Be Happy ;^)) Sun Nov 17 1991 09:59

    Hi,
    
    Can anyone explain the counters that a customer of mine is seeing ?
    
    The customer has a 6000-320 with VMS V5.4-3 and a DEMFA in this 
    configuration:
    
    		------------
    		| 6000-320 |------
                ------------     |
                                 |
                                 |
                              --------        --------
                              | Conc |========| Conc |
                              --------        --------
                                 ||              ||
                                 ||              ||
                              --------        --------
                              | Conc |========| Conc |
                              --------        --------
                                 |
                                 |
                              ----------
                              | Bridge |
                              ----------
                                 |
    		---------------------------------   Ethernet
    
    When the DEMFA is physically disconnected from it's concentrator the
    counters seem to latch at the highest possible unsigned integer, and
    when it is reconnected only some counters return to normal, others do
    not.
    
    *** Example counter output from LATCP before disconnecting concentrator:
                                                                                                                                    
$ LATCP SHOW LINK DEMFA /COUNTER at 10-NOV-1991 11:57:02                                                                        
                                                                                                                                    
Link Name:    DEMFA                                                                                                             
Device Name:  _FXA4:                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                    
Seconds Since Zeroed:             1253                                                                                              
Messages Received:               15028     Messages Sent:                3070                                                       
Multicast Msgs Received:         12506     Multicast Msgs Sent:           250                                                       
Bytes Received:                2002279     Bytes Sent:                 178543                                                       
Multicast Bytes Received:      1778954     Multicast Bytes Sent:        38112                                                       
System Buffer Unavailable:           0     User Buffer Unavailable:         0                                                       
Unrecognized Destination:            0     Data Overrun:                    0                                                       
                                                                                                                                    
Receive Errors -                           Transmit Errors -                                                                        
   Block Check Error:               No        Excessive Collisions:        No                                                       
   Framing Error:                   No        Carrier Check Failure:       No                                                       
   Frame Too Long:                  No        Short Circuit:               No                                                       
   Frame Status Error:              No        Open Circuit:                No                                                       
   Frame Length Error:              No        Frame Too Long:              No                                                       
                                              Remote Failure To Defer:     No                                                       
                                              Transmit Underrun:           No                                                       
                                              Transmit Failure:            No                                                       
                                                                                                                                    
FDDI Specific Counters                                                                                                              
----------------------                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                    
Ring Initializations Initd:          0     Traces Initiated:                0                                                       
Ring Initializations Rcvd:           1     Traces Received:                 0                                                       
Directed Beacons Received:           0     Ring Beacons Initiated:          0                                                       
Connections Completed:               0     Link Errors:                     0                                                       
Duplicate Tokens Detected:           0     Dup Addr Test Failures:          0                                                       
Ring Purge Errors:                   0     FCI Strip Errors:                0                                                       
LCT Rejects:                         0     LEM Rejects:                     0                                                       
Elasticity Buffer Errors:            0     MAC Frame Count:         101347391                                                       
MAC Error Count:                     0     MAC Lost Count:                  0                                                       
                                                                                                                                    
**** Link disconnected ****
                                                                                                                                    
$ LATCP SHOW LINK DEMFA /COUNTER at 10-NOV-1991 11:57:05                                                                        
                                                                                                                                    
Link Name:    DEMFA                                                                                                             
Device Name:  _FXA4:                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                    
Seconds Since Zeroed:                0                                                                                              
Messages Received:          4294967295     Messages Sent:          4294967295                                                       
Multicast Msgs Received:    4294967295     Multicast Msgs Sent:    4294967295                                                       
Bytes Received:             4294967295     Bytes Sent:             4294967295                                                       
Multicast Bytes Received:   4294967295     Multicast Bytes Sent:   4294967295                                                       
System Buffer Unavailable:  4294967295     User Buffer Unavailable:4294967295                                                       
Unrecognized Destination:   4294967295     Data Overrun:           4294967295                                                       
                                                                                                                                    
Receive Errors -                           Transmit Errors -                                                                        
   Block Check Error:               Yes       Excessive Collisions:        Yes                                                      
   Framing Error:                   Yes       Carrier Check Failure:       Yes                                                      
   Frame Too Long:                  Yes       Short Circuit:               Yes                                                      
   Frame Status Error:              Yes       Open Circuit:                Yes                                                      
   Frame Length Error:              Yes       Frame Too Long:              Yes                                                      
                                              Remote Failure To Defer:     Yes                                                      
                                              Transmit Underrun:           Yes                                                      
                                              Transmit Failure:            Yes                                                      
                                                                                                                                    
FDDI Specific Counters                                                                                                              
----------------------                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                    
Ring Initializations Initd: 4294967295     Traces Initiated:       4294967295                                                       
Ring Initializations Rcvd:  4294967295     Traces Received:        4294967295                                                       
Directed Beacons Received:  4294967295     Ring Beacons Initiated: 4294967295                                                       
Connections Completed:      4294967295     Link Errors:            4294967295                                                       
Duplicate Tokens Detected:  4294967295     Dup Addr Test Failures: 4294967295                                                       
Ring Purge Errors:          4294967295     FCI Strip Errors:       4294967295                                                       
LCT Rejects:                4294967295     LEM Rejects:            4294967295                                                       
Elasticity Buffer Errors:   4294967295     MAC Frame Count:        4294967295                                                       
MAC Error Count:            4294967295     MAC Lost Count:         4294967295                                                       
                                                                                                                                    
**** link reconnected ****
                                                                                                                                    
$ LATCP SHOW LINK DEMFA /COUNTER at 10-NOV-1991 11:57:15                                                                        
                                                                                                                                    
Link Name:    DEMFA                                                                                                             
Device Name:  _FXA4:                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                    
Seconds Since Zeroed:             1266                                                                                              
Messages Received:          4294967295     Messages Sent:          4294967295                                                       
Multicast Msgs Received:    4294967295     Multicast Msgs Sent:    4294967295                                                       
Bytes Received:                 359043     Bytes Sent:             4294967295                                                       
Multicast Bytes Received:       900857     Multicast Bytes Sent:   4294967295                                                       
System Buffer Unavailable:           0     User Buffer Unavailable:         0                                                       
Unrecognized Destination:            0     Data Overrun:                    0                                                       
                                                                                                                                    
Receive Errors -                           Transmit Errors -                                                                        
   Block Check Error:               No        Excessive Collisions:        No                                                       
   Framing Error:                   No        Carrier Check Failure:       No                                                       
   Frame Too Long:                  No        Short Circuit:               No                                                       
   Frame Status Error:              No        Open Circuit:                No                                                       
   Frame Length Error:              No        Frame Too Long:              No                                                       
                                              Remote Failure To Defer:     No                                                       
                                              Transmit Underrun:           No                                                       
                                              Transmit Failure:            No                                                       
                                                                                                                                    
FDDI Specific Counters                                                                                                              
----------------------                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                    
Ring Initializations Initd:          0     Traces Initiated:                0                                                       
Ring Initializations Rcvd:  4294967295     Traces Received:                 0                                                       
Directed Beacons Received:           0     Ring Beacons Initiated:          0                                                       
Connections Completed:      4294967295     Link Errors:                     0                                                       
Duplicate Tokens Detected:           0     Dup Addr Test Failures:          0                                                       
Ring Purge Errors:                   0     FCI Strip Errors:                0                                                       
LCT Rejects:                         0     LEM Rejects:                     0                                                       
Elasticity Buffer Errors:            0     MAC Frame Count:        4294967295                                                       
MAC Error Count:                     0     MAC Lost Count:                  0                                                       
                                                                                                                                    
   1. The FXDRIVER of VMS V5.4-3, standard base level, was used:-                                                                   
                                                                                                                                    
	Image Identification Information                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                    
		image name: "FXDRIVER"                                                                                                            
		image file identification: "X-16"                                                                                                 
		link date/time:  4-SEP-1991 15:09:47.09                                                                                           
		linker identification: "05-05"                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
   2. The LTDRIVER used was:-                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                    
	Image Identification Information                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                    
		image name: "LTDRIVER"                                                                                                            
		image file identification: "V6.0-312A"                                                                                            
		link date/time: 10-OCT-1991 12:07:11.82                                                                                           
		linker identification: "05-05"                                                                                                    
   
    
    Any ideas ?
    
    Alan Lloyd, TSC Basingstoke.
                   
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395.1a hunchSTAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Mon Nov 18 1991 12:2210
    I believe that when the link is disconnected, the device/driver
    will not return valid values for the counters. In fact, I believe
    the buffer is empty on the $QIO request. The application that is
    reading the counters (what application is this?) may be misinterpreting
    the buffer/information/lack of counters being returned.
    
    I'm not at all sure about this. Its just a hunch. 
    
    							/Bill
    
395.2thanksKERNEL::LLOYDADon't worry... Be Happy ;^)Mon Nov 18 1991 12:439
    Bill,
    
    These counters are coming from LATMASTER, LTDRIVER. Presumably we should 
    see similar NCP counters against the line. 
    
    If what you say is correct maybe I should post a note in LATMASTER as
    well...
    
    Alan.
395.3KONING::KONINGPaul Koning, NI1DMon Nov 18 1991 12:474
Hm, counters are supposed to be valid independent of the state of the
device.  Oh well, fixed in Phase 5, perhaps?

	paul 
395.4...STAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Mon Nov 18 1991 17:2212
    How about,.. fixed as soon as you plug the cable back in?
    :-)
    
    Its currentyly a limitation of the driver implementation. The driver
    enters a state called "FDDI Ring Unavailable" ,.. during which time all
    "control" requests (which includes counters at the moment) are passed
    back in error. We could start letting counters through even in this
    state. I'll look into it. For now (V5.4-3, V5.5) you are stuck with
    that behavior. Sorry
    
    								/Bill
    
395.5KONING::KONINGPaul Koning, NI1DMon Nov 18 1991 18:317
There are two other interesting anomalies:

1. It seems that the counters are zeroed when the connection is plugged in.
2. In the last list of counters in .0, the multicast bytes received count is
   greater than the bytes received count.

	paul
395.6helpKERNEL::LLOYDADon't worry... Be Happy ;^)Tue Nov 19 1991 13:533
    What kind of QIO do I need to use ? Any examples ?
    
    Alan.
395.7HELP!!!KERNEL::LLOYDADon't worry... Be Happy ;^)Wed Dec 04 1991 05:367
    
    The customer has received the driver source code and he cannot see any
    call which will detect the ring failure. Where is the call ?
    
    This is very urgent.
    
    Alan.
395.8NAC::THOMASThe Code WarriorWed Dec 04 1991 08:421
    Ring failures are communciated trough the unsolicited event ring.
395.9reality checkSTAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Thu Dec 05 1991 10:569
    I have yet to see any entries in the UNsolicited ring. That may be
    where the device documentation says that ring failures are reported,
    but in reality, nothing ever gets reported in the unsolicited ring.
    
    There is a bit in the XPST register callled "FRA". If the customer
    see the driver reacting to this bit and changing states when
    the ring becomes available/unavailable.
    
    								/Bill
395.10KONING::KONINGPaul Koning, NI1DThu Dec 05 1991 11:235
You probably haven't had any ring failures.  Available vs. unavailable is
NOT a "failure".  Things like stuck-beaconing (trace  initiated) would be
failures, but those aren't likely to happen on normal networks.

	paul
395.11Slowdown!KERNEL::LLOYDADon't worry... Be Happy ;^)Fri Dec 06 1991 04:484
    Sorry, but I don't understabd most of the terms you are using ! could
    someone briefly exaplain them please.
    
    al.
395.12KONING::KONINGPaul Koning, NI1DFri Dec 06 1991 12:208
At the risk of sounding snotty... if you don't understand these terms, then
you almost certainly have no need to modify the driver to do anything
different when these events happen!

Apart from that: look in the FDDI primer, it should explain most or all of
these things.

	paul