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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

390.0. "DEMFA failover questions" by ARRODS::SWANSON () Wed Nov 13 1991 08:22

I have had a couple of questions from customers recently on the
requirement to provide a resilient network connection form an XMI
machine to FDDI.  They would like to see a DAS version of the
DEMFA so that dual homing can be used.  They generally accept our
arguments on the need to keep nodes off the backbone, but see
dual homing as a reason to have a DAS adapter as it still
connects via a concentrator and doesn't go against out basic
philosophy of a dual ring of trees.

As far as I can see the only option at the moment is a second
controller (FDDI or Ethernet) and the use of the VMS load
balancing / failover mentioned in the Networks Buyers Guide.

I have the following questions:

1.  Are we planning to produce a DAS adapter for XMI nodes to be
used as described above (dual homed)?

2.  How does the VMS load balancing / autofailover work (just an
outline will do or a pointer, I can not seem to find any
description other than in the Networks Buyers Guide).

3.   With 2 adapters will DECnet phase IV allow both circuits to
be active at the same time (assuming it is a router of course).
I know this is not allowed with two Ethernet connection to the
same LAN because of the physical address conflict, but maybe its
possible on FDDI.

Thanks for any help,

Dave
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390.1...STAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Wed Nov 13 1991 12:4824
    Answers:
    
    	1) None that I know of
    
    	2) Load balancing is done by the higher layers which are presented
    	   with a "chice" of adapters to use. The ony product I know
    	   of today that actually does anything with this is clusters.
    	   The rest (DECnet Phase IV, LAT, etc) just use the one adapter,
    	   and don;t balance anything. As to the "how" does it work, its
    	   not really that simple,.. but in a nutshell,.. PEDRIVER
    	   (clusters) is always monitoring the response time for a given
    	   adapter, and when a transmit is initiated, the adapter that
    	   has poresented the least round trip delay in recent history
    	   is selected for the transmit.
    
    	3) No,.. DECnet will not work if the two adapters are attached
    	   to the same ring,. or somehow attached to the same extended LAN
    	   (ie, they can't be bridged either). These are the
    	   architectural limiits for Phase IV. Phase IV+ supports the idea
    	   of an end node having multiple circuits, but there again, they
    	   must be on seperate (unbridged) network segments.
    
    								/Bill
    
390.2KONING::KONINGPaul Koning, NI1DWed Nov 13 1991 12:5513
About your question 3: DECnet Phase IV (regular or IV+) does NOT support
multi-link endnodes.  DECnet/VAX makes them work somewhat, but that's outside
the architecture.  Phase V is where such nodes are fully supported.

Meanwhile, you can certainly do this if your nodes are Phase IV routers.
However, because of the addressing issue, the two FDDI adapters have to be
connected to DISJOINT LANs.  In other words, they cannot be connected to
the same FDDI ring, as you would with ordinary dual-homing.  Nor can the
two FDDIs they are connected to be bridged together.  This is nothing more
than the normal LAN connection rule for Phase IV routers; the fact that
the LANs are FDDI doesn't change things.

	paul