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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

339.0. "How single ThinWire works for CDDI?" by OSAV20::IZUTANI (Kenji Izutani,Tech.Consul.,CSEC,DEC-Japan) Fri Sep 06 1991 00:49

Could anyone explain how single ThinWire coax can be used for full-duplex 
communication in CDDI. Is this documented anywhere on Easynet? If so let me 
know the pointer.

Regards,
kenji
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339.1KONING::KONINGBrivu Latviju!Mon Sep 16 1991 16:1311
I don't think it's documented in any world-readable document.

The simple answer is "the same way that your telephone at home carries
two-way voice communication over a single wire pair".  Basically the
receiver circuit measures the voltage on the wire, then subtracts out
what's put there by the transmitter, and what's left is the received signal.

Incidentally, the terminal to keyboard connection on the VT100 works the
same way...

	paul
339.2Can this be industry standard?OSAV20::IZUTANIKenji Izutani,Tech.Consul.,CSEC,DEC-JapanMon Sep 16 1991 20:279
To confirm the reply....

Does it mean that a baseband signaling with amplititude (of DC voltage) 
discriminator is used for two-way communication on a ThinWire?

I wonder if this technology will be "ANSI" standardized?

regards,
kenji
339.3KONING::KONINGBrivu Latviju!Tue Sep 17 1991 11:068
Yes, it's baseband signalling.  I'm not sure what you mean by "discriminator"
or whether that's a good way to describe it.

It doesn't appear that this will be pushed as an ANSI standard, though 
technically speaking it could be.  The major ANSI interest is in twisted
pair cables.

	paul
339.4generic RG58U cabel could be used?OSAV20::IZUTANIKenji Izutani,Tech.Consul.,CSEC,DEC-JapanTue Sep 17 1991 20:128
"discriminator" means that receiver circuit of ThinWire PMD can see the 
difference of DC voltages of its sending signal and receiving signal.

Is there a tester for this signaling for field personel use? I guess there is 
some RG58U type cable that is not our ThinWire at the customer site and 
anxious about how to certify them.

kenji 
339.5KONING::KONINGBrivu Latviju!Wed Sep 18 1991 13:4217
I asked about test procedures and got this answer:

From: LEVERS::J_FITZGERALD "John Fitzgerald 227-3646"	Date: 18-Sep-91 12:36 PM
To: KONING::KONING
cc: WORDY::CDAY,J_FITZGERALD
Subject: RE: Thinwire test/cert procedure?

	Paul, Yes we do have a procedure that gives a quick check of the 
cable. Understand, we only recommend thinwire, as "RG58" means many 
different specs. to different vendors. The test procedure does use a TDR
and specifies a return loss maximum. This procedure is part of the 
DEFCN-TA and DEFZA-CA installation guides. I believe Cynthia Day,
who I have CC'ed on this note, can supply a pointer to this document..
Thanks,
John


339.6Thank you!OSAV20::IZUTANIKenji Izutani,Tech.Consul.,CSEC,DEC-JapanWed Sep 18 1991 19:540