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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

212.0. "Potential Addressing Problem with DEMFA(XMI Adapter)?" by RODGER::MILES (Rodger S. Miles, Central ANC) Mon Feb 25 1991 09:34

    Will DECnet-IV change the DEMFA address, and therefore
 cause problems with the Ethernet interface on the same system?
 I assume, that if this is true, DECnet can only be used on
 one of the interfaces at any particular time.  Is there any
 way to make the Ethernet adapter provide backup?

    Rodger
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212.1KONING::KONINGLietuva laisva!Tue Feb 26 1991 12:3815
Yes and no.

DECnet will not change "the" address.  The DEMFA (indeed all DEC FDDI
adapters) supports "alias" addresses.  So the AA-00... address will be
an alias address, and the "main" address (MLA, My Long Address, as FDDI
calls it) remains.  Thus the familiar problem when you start LAT first
and DECnet second will not occur.

On the other hand, the alias address does act like a normal individual
address, and must be unique on the extended LAN.  If you have an Ethernet
adapter as well, and a bridge in between, then only one can be turned
on for DECnet at any one time.  This is the same rule as applies with
just Ethernet, and the answer is the same: fixed in Phase V.

	paul
212.2All FDDI adapters have this problemTALLIS::REGETue Feb 26 1991 16:3411

	Thanks for your explanation, Paul.

	I thought DEMFA had a problem looking at the title in .0.
	and couldn't figure out what was different about DEMFA.

	As you say the problem is true for all FDDI adapters.


	/satish
212.3FDDI, Ethernet bridging & DECnet Phase VHGOVC::GUPTAThu Oct 21 1993 00:3837
Ref: .1

Hi Paul,

If I have understood your response (.1) correctly then the config shown in 
Fig 1 below should be possible if DECnet Phase V is running on VAX 6610. 
Right ?

		,-----------,		,----------------,
		| DECbridge |		|DECconcentrator |
		| 610	    |===========|     500	 |
		|	    | Dual ring |		 |
		`-----------'   FDDI	|		 |
		     |	 .		`----------------'
		     |	 .		    |
	 ------------'	 .		    | FDDI
			 .	     ,--------------,
			 .	     |  VAX 6610    |
	      (POSSIBLE) .	     `--------------'
                 ????    .                |
			 .		  |
                    ---------------------------------------- Ethernet

			Fig 1.

I have a customer who is having a lot of VAXes. Now he wants to upgrade to FDDI
for bandwidth reasons. Is it possible to connect VAXes to FDDI as well as keep
them on ethernet as well ? The intention is to enhance network redundancy.
Normally VAX 6610 will be accessible on FDDI port. In case that VAX is not
reachable on FDDI, ethernet can be used. Will it be possible if DECnet Phase V
is running on VAX ?

The above network is just an illustration. We plan to use DEChub 900 components
when available.

Regards,
Surender
212.4DECnet phase V should be OK - LAT is notROYALT::RASPUZZIMichael Raspuzzi - LAT Engineering et alThu Oct 21 1993 07:515
    DECnet phase V should work in that configuration.  LAT still only works
    over one adapter - creating a second LAT link on the same logical LAN
    will cause you problems.
    
    Mike
212.5KONING::KONINGPaul Koning, B-16504Thu Oct 21 1993 11:2112
Yes, that configuration will work, but you must configure it correctly.
Phase V will use the same address as Phase IV did (for compatibility) if
you tell it to.  If you do that on both the interfaces, you'll have the old
Phase IV problem again.  So for this configuration, you must either have
Phase IV addressing turned off completely, or turn it on for only ONE
of the interfaces.  

If your network consists of Phase V nodes only, the simplest is to turn
Phase IV addressing off.  (This eliminates some management steps that are
unnecessary in that case.)

	paul