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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

126.0. "DECworld FDDI demo info ?" by LARVAE::HARVEY (Baldly going into the unknown...) Wed Aug 29 1990 14:32

    
    I understand that DECworld had a demonstration of DS5000-200's using
    both ethernet and FDDI to demostrate "transfer rates" between the two
    systems, using the different LAN types and TCP/IP and UDP (?)
    protocols. (Connection Oriented vs Connectionless ???) 
    
    This demo was represented by a graphic of a bridge with bricks of 2MB
    being moved from one screen, over the net, to the other screen.
    
    For the benefit of those of us who didn't get to DECworld (or DECville
    for that matter !) can anyone provide more/better detail on these demos
    and provide the configuration and any "performance" information.
    
    It may provide a basic yardstick by which we can set customer (external and
    internal) expectatations etc. Not "legally" binding of course but a
    good finger in the air starting-point !
    
    While on the subject - does anyone have any feel for the "cost" of
    running the DECcontroller700 in the 5000's TurboChannel ie. being a
    cycle-stealer from the host cpu. Is there a "hit" on the host ?
    
    Thanks in advance
    
    Rog
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126.1Contact Rich RosenbaumMARVIN::COBBGraham R. Cobb (Wide Area Comms.), REO2-G/H9, 830-3917Mon Sep 03 1990 08:426
I know  that Rich (NSSG::) Rosenbaum was involved with this demo.  He may be
able to provide you with more information.

Graham

P.S. It was a neat demo!
126.2For more info - contact Karen LeonardENUF::CAUDILLKelly - NaCM Tech Support - 264-3320Tue Sep 04 1990 14:3161
    The demo, called "bricks" or "FDDI bricks", is a pair of programs which
    Rich Rosenbaum and I wrote.  I wrote the parts you can see (i.e., the
    windows, graphics, and statistics).  Rich wrote the parts that do the work
    (i.e., the DECnet, TCP, and UDP communications modules which actually send
    and receive the data). 

    The demo is a take-off on the idea of the DECnet/SNA gateway performance
    demo - also called bricks - written by Ken Punshon for DECworld '88 in
    Cannes which used SMG to display 2-dimensional bricks on 4 VT340 terminals
    and used the DECnet/SNA Data Transfer Facility (DTF) to show the relative
    performance of VMS/SNA, the DECnet/SNA Gateway (ie the DECSA box), the
    DECnet/SNA Gateway-ST (ie the DEMSA), and the DECnet/SNA Gateway-CT
    (DESNA).

    This new bricks demo is 3-dimensional, uses DECwindows, and has both a
    sender and a receiver.  The receiver can handle multiple senders
    simulateously.  The current version supports DECnet, TCP, or UDP on
    ULTRIX.  Also, the s/w was designed (if I can stretch the term) in hopes
    that parts of it could be used to demo the performance of other comm
    things.  For example, some work is being done by Therese Leboffe in
    Valbone to come up with an "IBM bricks" demo using DTF to show the
    performance of the new DECnet/SNA Gateway-CT II.

    The FDDI Bricks demo used four DECstation 5000 workstations each with both
    Ethernet and FDDI connections, a DECconcentrator 500, and three DECbridge
    500 bridges - an expensive shopping list.

    The intent of the demo was to show that Ethernet and FDDI are
    complimentary.  You can attach you Ethernet LANs to an FDDI backbone and
    systems on the Ethernet LANs will have great performance while still
    being able to communicate with systems on the FDDI backbone.  etc...
    
    I've writen a book called "Bricks: The DECworld '90 FDDI demo" which can
    be found on: 
    
    	ACTVAX::ACT$DOC:FDDI_BRICKS.PS
    or 	ACTVAX::ACT$DOC:FDDI_BRICKS.LN03
    
    It is not complete.  There is always more to do, but never time to do it.  
    
    As it stands now, the book provides an overview of the demo, describes the
    steps used in the demo script, explains how to install the software, and
    shows how the whole thing was wired.  It will eventually describe enough
    of how the programs work so that an adventuresom techie programmer could
    modify it, but that is among the incomplete parts.
    
    The book does not however, tell the location of the software.  
    
    Contact Karen (frosty::)Leonard for more information, to get the software,
    or for copies of the 35mm slides used at DECworld '90 in Boston.
    
    The bricks demo is definitely not intended for use as a bench mark.  The
    demo was able to show some pretty neat numbers - like 9.4 million bits per
    second over ethernet and 33 meg over FDDI - but numbers, although real,
    are not what customers should expect when trying to do a file transfer for
    example because the demo does not do ANY disk I/O or ANY computation to
    generate the data it transfers across the net.
    
    For these reasons, it was decided that the bricks documentation should be
    marked company confidential and that distribution of the software within
    the company should be controlled (by Karen Leonard).
126.3Party line on the bricks demoENUF::CAUDILLKelly - NaCM Tech Support - 264-3320Tue Sep 04 1990 17:3954
From:	FROSTY::LEONARD      "FDDI Marketing/DECelms, voicemail 264-8119"  7-AUG-1990 17:01:57.90
Subj:	FDDI demo party line

FDDI Bricks Demo Party Line
===========================

  The FDDI bricks demo at DECworld was a resounding success, exceeding even our
  greatest expectations.  Customers loved it.  Sales and sales support people
  loved it.  People from internal marketing groups loved it.  Now everyone
  wants it. And we want to capitalize on the success of the demo to show our 
  FDDI solution to as many people out there in the world as possible.  
 
  However, to get the most mileage out of the bricks demo, with the goal of 
  supporting our FDDI solution, we need to ensure that it is presented 
  in a controlled, focused, and supportable environment.  To this end, we 
  will make the live demo available only to ACTs and DCCs which have the 
  appropriate hardware and support capabilities and for trade shows that 
  can adequately support the bricks demo and our FDDI marketing messages.  
  For sales and sales support purposes, we intend to provide an FDDI demo 
  videotape (20 minutes max) that combines the best of the DECworld FDDI 
  deminar videos with the bricks demo for use on site with customers.  

  We are not, at this time, going to make the demo software available to
  either customers and/or sales/sales support for the following reasons:

  1) The demo was developed specifically to show FDDI and Ethernet
     compatibility and relative performance and can easily set false
     performance expectations and/or standards that could hurt us 
     in the future.  Few Ethernets will get the throughput that we get
     with this demo going from one Ethernet to another across the FDDI
     backbone.  It does show true performance, not a simulation, but does not
     represent a real-world application.

  2) In the hands of customers, the demo could give false and/or inaccurate 
     interoperability results if used indiscriminately with other vendors'
     FDDI products.  Interoperability testing involves a lot more than this
     demo can possible provide. 

  3) The biggest reason:  Support for the demo is a real issue.  One of the 
     benefits of the demo is the many knobs that can be turned and tweaked 
     to get different results, but this is a two-edged sword.  Knobs turned 
     and parameters tweaked in the field could easiliy generate unexpected 
     results that could make our FDDI products look bad or our demo software 
     buggy, resulting in phone queries and problems that we cannot handle.  

  Over time, as we gain more experience with the demo in moving it out into the
  field, through the ACTs and DCCs, and as the number of people who can support
  the demo grows, this focused approach may change, so stay tuned.  We will put
  your name on our demo mailing list to ensure that you receive timely
  information about the availability of the demo at an ACT near you, as well
  as information about other opportunities for showing the demo to your 
  customers, such as the Network Road Show and other trade shows like
  Interop'90.  We'll also keep you informed about the status/availability of 
  the demo videotape.  
126.4See JEDI::BRICKS for more infoJEDI::CAUDILLKelly - NaC Tech Support - 264-3320Thu May 27 1993 10:406
    I just saw this again by accident and thought it should be updated.
    
    The rules in .-1 are still valid, but the controls on the bricks demo
    have been relaxed somewhat.
    
    See JEDI::BRICKS for more info.