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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

119.0. "Minimum intersation distance?" by PAOIS::PERIE () Wed Aug 22 1990 05:25

    The maximum distance between adjacent stations is 2 km,but is there
    a minimum distance specified?
    
    Thanks,
    Regards.
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119.1min distance = 0HGOVC::RAYMONDSIUThu Aug 23 1990 05:353
    According to DEFCN & DEFEB, there is no minimum distance.
    
    Rgds,
119.21 km is min. for 100 micron fiberNSCRUE::KNIGHTThu Oct 18 1990 18:5413
In "DECconcentrator 500 Problem Solving" (EK-DEFCN-PS), section 1.4.1, there is
a note:

  Lengths less than 1 kilometer (3280 feet) of 100 micron fiber do not have
  sufficient optical loss; malfunctions of the receiver can occur.  Use 
  62.5/125 patch cords to induce loss.

I did not find a similar note for the DEFEB, but it presumably should have the
same caveat.

Regards,

Paul Knight
119.3No minimum length for multimode PMD for ANY fiberKONING::KONINGNI1D @FN42eqMon Oct 29 1990 18:0515
I have no idea where the statement quoted in .2 comes from.  It certainly
is incorrect.

This is obvious from the fact that you can use loopback connectors to
connect transmitter directly to receiver.  Those have near-zero loss,
and work correctly.  Since fiber, even 100 �m fiber, has loss, not gain,
it follows that there is no minimum length.

Another way to tell is by looking at the FDDI PMD standard, which shows
the maximum optical power for both transmitter and receiver as -14 dBm.

(Note that the above applies to multimode optics, which is what our current
products have.)

	paul
119.4minimum distance for 100�m fiber is validBAGELS::LEVYTue Oct 30 1990 17:5878
    re: .3
    
    Paul's analysis proceeds from an incorrect assumption: That is, DEC
    FDDI MM optics launch no more than -14 dBm into 100�m fiber.
    
    The assumption is incorrect. Testing has documented a potential launch
    power increase of 1.5 dB, to -12.5 dBm, which can over-saturate an FDDI
    receiver. [See extract from Chris Baldwin memo, at end.]
    
    The 1 km minimum distance for 100 �m fiber is a safe demarcation point
    for guaranteeing a minimum loss without the use of 62.5/125 patch
    cables.
    
    .2's observation is valid. We need to add the note to the DEFEB Problem
    Solving guide. Note that the DECconnect Fiber Optic Installation
    manual, page 7-14, correctly calls out a minimum loss, and specifies
    using 62.5/125 patch cables to achieve it.
    
    Jon


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TO:Distribution:                        DATE:7/28/89
                                        FROM:Christopher Baldwin  
                                        DEPT:CSE Technology: Fiber Optics  
                                        EXT:227-3637
                                        LOC:TAY2-2/N15
                                        NODE:GIGA::BALDWIN  


   SUBJECT:Supportable  Transmission  Distances  for   FDDI   Physical
     Connections Using Alternate Fiber Sizes.

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          2.  100/140 Cableplants:

           3 HP Transceivers and Sumitomo transmitters  were  tested
           for transmitter optical launch power increase.  The NA of
           the fiber was 0.29.  A 1.5 dB increase was found.

           The receiver was  found  to  have  a  0.5  dB  vignetting
           penalty  when  used  with 100 um core fiber.  The penalty
           was confirmed for worst case mode scrambled conditions  (
           mode  scramble  exit  conditions ensure that the light is
           maximally distributed throughout the core of the fiber so
           that  maximum  vignetting  will occur.) HP explained that
           the source of  the  vignetting  occurs  at  the  detector
           because  the NA and pupil aperture of the focusing optics
           is more that sufficient for  a  100  um  core  1:1  image
           relay.   The  PiN  detector  is  only  90 um in diameter.
           While only a 0.5 dB vignetting penalty was found, 1.5  dB
           will be reserved for this penalty to account for possible
           misalignment between optical relay and PiN detector which
           would  exacerbate the penalty.  The Sumitomo devices were
           found to have a 0.3 dB Rx vignetting penalty;  since  the
           difference  between the HP and Sumitomo results are minor
           the 1.5 dB penalty will be used.

           LOSS BUDGET = 11 dB + 1.5 dB Tx gain - 1.5 dB Rx  penalty
           = 11 dB

           NB:  The  use  of  100/140  um  patch  cords  to  connect
           stations is NOT RECOMMENDED.  There is a possibility that
           the Tx could saturate a Rx when using a short  length  of
           100/140  fiber.   This is currently not a serious concern
           as FDDI Connectorized 100/140 cables are a special  order
           item.