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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

113.0. "FDDI to bridged Ethernet ARP nonfunctional" by CSC32::C_OUIMETTE (ERLICHDA!) Thu Aug 16 1990 22:36

	(Cross-posted in FDDI, ARPA_INTERNET, and UCX notesfiles)

	Hello all,

PROBLEM:

    TCP/IP-ARP is apparently non-functional between Sun & VMS/UCX 1.2 if one 
    host is on the FDDI ring and the other is on the ethernet. Works fine 
    between the Sun hosts all on the FDDI ring.

Configuration:

   FDDI ring with several Sun Worksystems, Sun/os 4.03, "sun-light" FDDI
interfaces; DECbridge 500 (FDDI to ethernet bridge) connected to DEFCN (FDDI
concentrator on ring); VMS 5.x/UCX 1.2 host on the DECbridge 500's ethernet
lan.

Analysis:

   "Sniffer" datascope on ethernet shows ARP request sent out by UCX host when
a "UCX LOOP Sun_host" command (same as a ping) is performed. This ARP packet
contains a hardware type code of "1", for ethernet. An ARP reply comes back,
with a hardware type of "token ring" (I'm assuming it's 4... the FE onsite
couldn't get the sniffer to display hex, only the interpreted value..), which
the UCX host ignores; i.e., no entry is added to the ARP table.

    We put manual entries into the UCX and Sun host's ARP tables for each
other, and Bingo!, ping, telnet all work fine across the DECbridge 500.


    We had the customer replace the UCX host on the ethernet with a Sun host,
and we saw the same thing; "ethernet" out, "ring" back, and no Address
resolution in table. Even between 2 Sun hosts.


QUESTION:

    In RFC1042, page 4, an ARP hardware type of "6" is specified for IEEE 802
networks. However, on page 2 it says that the goal of the memo is to insure
operability for IP and ARP between 2 hosts on the same type (802.3, 802.4,
802.5) of network, and it states: 

"The use of IEEE 802.1 compatible transparent bridges to allow interoperabilty
across different networks is not fully described pending completion of that
standard".

Well....the future is here today....

    So. Should we both (VMS/UCX and Sun) be using a hardware identifier of "6"
in our ARP messages, whether on ethernet or FDDI? 

    I suspect that existing IP hosts on the ethernet might then go belly up, 
unable to handle a "6". Or should we be willing to accept a ARP reply which 
indicated a hardware type other than that which we used for our ARP request? I
find no help in RFC1122, host requirents....

    If anyone can point to RFC's adressing this question, or has tested this
configuration successfully (without the manual ARP entries), or is aware of any
pending RFC's which address this problem, I would certainly appreciate all 
replies.


					Thanks for any help,

				Chuck Ouimette NSU/ULTRIX CSC/CS

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113.1KONING::KONINGNI1D @FN42eqFri Aug 17 1990 19:1010
NO.  Do NOT use type code 6.  

The RFC to use is RFC 1103.  I believe it says to use type code 1 (Ethernet) --
which really should be called "LAN".  (Code 6 is a mistake that crept into
RFC 1042, unfortunately.)

RFC 1103 is being revised.  Contact Dave Katz ([email protected]) for latest
status.

	paul
113.2Thanks for the pointer...CSC32::C_OUIMETTEERLICHDA!Fri Aug 17 1990 21:4815
    	Paul,
    
     Actually, rfc1103 currently states that FDDI should use type code = 6;
    the mistake from 1042 was apparently propagated to 1103. But if it's
    undergoing rewrite, it would make excellent sense to change it to 1,
    which would allow transparent fddi-ethernet bridges (like the DEFEB)
    to work with existing host implementations.
    
    Thanks much for the pointer; I'll contact Dave Katz and post the
    results here.
    
    						Again, thanks,
    
    							Chuck
    
113.3KONING::KONINGNI1D @FN42eqSun Aug 19 1990 13:185
    The decision to change the type code to 1 was made in October 1989.  So
    at this point it's a matter of getting it in print; that is in
    progress.
    
    	paul
113.4'1' for FDDI nodes.CSC32::C_OUIMETTEERLICHDA!Mon Aug 20 1990 20:429
    	paul,
    
    Thanks for the info; Dave Katz also replied with the same, '1' is the
    right code to use.
    
    						Thanks again,
    
    						chuck
    
113.5draft of RFCTINKER::WALSHWed Aug 22 1990 14:26591
I poked Dave Katz for other problems with the RFC, and he sent me the following
draft this week.




 Internet Engineering Task Force                                 D. Katz
 Internet Draft                                             Merit/NSFNET
 Obsoletes:  RFC 1103                                           May 1990


               A Proposed Standard for the Transmission of
                     IP Datagrams over FDDI Networks



 Status of this Memo

    This document specifies a method of encapsulating the Internet
    Protocol (IP) [1] datagrams and Address Resolution Protocol (ARP)
    [2] requests and replies on Fiber Distributed Data Interface (FDDI)
    Networks.  This draft document will be submitted to the RFC editor
    as a protocol specification.  Distribution of this memo is
    unlimited.  Please send comments to [email protected].


 Abstract

    This document specifies a method for the use of IP and ARP on FDDI
    networks.  The encapsulation method used is described, as well as
    various media-specific issues.


 Acknowledgment

    This memo draws heavily in both concept and text from RFC 1042 [3],
    written by Jon Postel and Joyce Reynolds of ISI.  The author would
    also like to acknowledge the contributions of the IP Over FDDI
    working group of the Internet Engineering Task Force, members of
    ANSI ASC X3T9.5, and others in the FDDI community.


 Conventions

    The following language conventions are used in the items of
    specification in this document:

      "Must," "Shall," or "Mandatory"--the item is an absolute
        requirement of the specification.

      "Should" or "Recommended"--the item should generally be followed
        for all but exceptional circumstances.

      "May" or "Optional"--the item is truly optional and may be
        followed or ignored according to the needs of the implementor.




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 Introduction

    The goal of this specification is to allow compatible and
    interoperable implementations for transmitting IP datagrams and ARP
    requests and replies.

    The Fiber Distributed Data Interface (FDDI) specifications define a
    family of standards for Local Area Networks (LANs) that provides the
    Physical Layer and Media Access Control Sublayer of the Data Link
    Layer as defined by the ISO Open System Interconnection Reference
    Model (ISO/OSI).  Documents are in various stages of progression
    toward International Standardization for Media Access Control (MAC)
    [4], Physical Layer Protocol (PHY) [5], Physical Layer Medium
    Dependent (PMD) [6], and Station Management (SMT) [7].  The family
    of FDDI standards corresponds to the IEEE 802 MAC layer standards
    [8, 9, 10].

    The remainder of the Data Link Service is provided by the IEEE 802.2
    Logical Link Control (LLC) service [11].  The resulting stack of
    services appears as follows:

        +-------------+
        |   IP/ARP    |
        +-------------+
        |  802.2 LLC  |
        +-------------+-----+
        |  FDDI MAC   | F   |
        +-------------+ D S |
        |  FDDI PHY   | D M |
        +-------------+ I T |
        |  FDDI PMD   |     |
        +-------------+-----+

    This memo describes the use of IP and ARP in this environment.  At
    this time, it is not necessary that the use of IP and ARP be
    consistent between FDDI and IEEE 802 networks, but it is the intent
    of this memo not to preclude Data Link Layer interoperability at
    such time as the standards define it.

    The FDDI standards define both single and dual MAC stations.  This
    document describes the use of IP and ARP on single MAC stations
    (single-attach or dual-attach) only.  Operation on dual MAC stations
    will be described in a forthcoming document.


 Packet Format

    IP datagrams and ARP requests and replies sent on FDDI networks
    shall be encapsulated within the 802.2 LLC and Sub-Network Access



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    Protocol (SNAP) data link layers and the FDDI MAC and physical
    layers.  The SNAP must be used with an Organization Code indicating
    that the SNAP header contains the EtherType code (as listed in
    Assigned Numbers [12]).

    802.2 LLC Type 1 communication (which must be implemented by all
    conforming 802.2 stations) is used exclusively.  All frames must be
    transmitted in standard 802.2 LLC Type 1 Unnumbered Information
    format, with the DSAP and the SSAP fields of the 802.2 header set to
    the assigned global SAP value for SNAP [11].  The 24-bit
    Organization Code in the SNAP must be zero, and the remaining 16
    bits are the EtherType from Assigned Numbers [12] (IP = 2048, ARP =
    2054).

      ...--------+--------+--------+
                 MAC Header        |                           FDDI MAC
      ...--------+--------+--------+

      +--------+--------+--------+
      | DSAP=K1| SSAP=K1| Control|                            802.2 LLC
      +--------+--------+--------+

      +--------+--------+---------+--------+--------+
      |Protocol Id or Org Code =K2|    EtherType    |        802.2 SNAP
      +--------+--------+---------+--------+--------+

      The total length of the LLC Header and the SNAP header is 8
      octets.

      The K1 value is 170 (decimal).

      The K2 value is 0 (zero).

      The control value is 3 (Unnumbered Information).


 Address Resolution

    The mapping of 32-bit Internet addresses to 48-bit FDDI addresses
    shall be done via the dynamic discovery procedure of the Address
    Resolution Protocol (ARP) [2].

    Internet addresses are assigned arbitrarily on Internet networks.
    Each host's implementation must know its own Internet address and
    respond to Address Resolution requests appropriately.  It must also
    use ARP to translate Internet addresses to FDDI addresses when
    needed.






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    The ARP protocol has several fields that parameterize its use in any
    specific context [2].  These fields are:

      hrd   16 - bits     The Hardware Type Code
      pro   16 - bits     The Protocol Type Code
      hln    8 - bits     Octets in each hardware address
      pln    8 - bits     Octets in each protocol address
      op    16 - bits     Operation Code

    The hardware type code assigned for IEEE 802 networks is 6 [12].
    The hardware type code assigned for Ethernet networks is 1 [12].
    Unfortunately, differing values between Ethernet and IEEE 802
    networks cause interoperability problems in bridged environments.
    In order to not preclude interoperability with Ethernets in a
    bridged environment, ARP packets shall be transmitted with a
    hardware type code of 1.  Furthermore, ARP packets shall be accepted
    if received with hardware type codes of either 1 or 6.

    The protocol type code for IP is 2048 [12].

    The hardware address length is 6.

    The protocol address length (for IP) is 4.

    The operation code is 1 for request and 2 for reply.

    In order to not preclude interoperability in a bridged environment,
    the hardware addresses in ARP packets (ar$sha, ar$tha) must be
    carried in "canonical" bit order, with the Group bit positioned as
    the low order bit of the first octet.  As FDDI addresses are
    normally expressed with the Group bit in the high order bit
    position, the addresses must be bit-reversed within each octet.

    Although outside the scope of this document, it is recommended that
    MAC addresses be represented in canonical order in all Network Layer
    protocols carried within the information field of an FDDI frame.


 Broadcast Address

    The broadcast Internet address (the address on that network with a
    host part of all binary ones) must be mapped to the broadcast FDDI
    address (of all binary ones) (see [13]).


 Multicast Support

    A method of supporting IP multicasting is specified in [14].  This
    method shall be used in FDDI networks if IP multicasting is to be
    supported.  The use of this method may require the ability to copy



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    frames addressed to any one of an arbitrary number of multicast
    (group) addresses.

    An IP multicast address is mapped to an FDDI group address by
    placing the low order 23 bits of the IP address into the low order
    23 bits of the FDDI group address 01-00-5E-00-00-00 (in "canonical"
    order).

    For example, the IP multicast address:

      224.255.0.2

    maps to the FDDI group address:

      01-00-5E-7F-00-02

    in which the multicast (group) bit is the low order bit of the first
    octet (canonical order).  When bit-reversed for transmission in the
    destination MAC address field of an FDDI frame (native order), it
    becomes:

      80-00-7A-FE-00-40

    that is, with the multicast (group) bit as the high order bit of the
    first octet, that being the first bit transmitted on the medium.


 Trailer Formats

    Some versions of Unix 4.x bsd use a different encapsulation method
    in order to get better network performance with the VAX virtual
    memory architecture.  Trailers shall not be used on FDDI networks.


 Byte Order

    As described in Appendix B of the Internet Protocol specification
    [1], the IP datagram is transmitted over FDDI networks as a series
    of 8-bit bytes.  This byte transmission order has been called "big-
    endian" [15].


 MAC Layer Details

    Packet Size

       The FDDI MAC specification [4] defines a maximum frame size of
       9000 symbols (4500 octets) for all frame fields, including four
       symbols (two octets) of preamble.  This leaves roughly 4470
       octets for data after the LLC/SNAP header is taken into account.



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       However, in order to allow future extensions to the MAC header
       and frame status fields, it is desirable to reserve additional
       space for MAC overhead.

       Therefore, the MTU of FDDI networks shall be 4352 octets.  This
       provides for 4096 octets of data and 256 octets of headers at the
       network layer and above.

       Gateway implementations must be prepared to accept full-length
       packets and fragment them when necessary.

       Host implementations should be prepared to accept full-length
       packets; however, hosts must not send datagrams longer than 576
       octets unless they have explicit knowledge that the destination
       is prepared to accept them.  A host may communicate its size
       preference in TCP-based applications via the TCP Maximum Segment
       Size option [16].

       Datagrams on FDDI networks may be longer than the general
       Internet default maximum packet size of 576 octets.  Hosts
       connected to an FDDI network should keep this in mind when
       sending datagrams to hosts that are not on the same local
       network.  It may be appropriate to send smaller datagrams to
       avoid unnecessary fragmentation at intermediate gateways.  Please
       see [16] for further information.

       There is no minimum packet size restriction on FDDI networks.

       In order to not preclude interoperability with Ethernet in a
       bridged environment, FDDI implementations must be prepared to
       receive (and ignore) trailing pad octets.


    Other MAC Layer Issues

       The FDDI MAC specification does not require that 16-bit and 48-
       bit address stations be able to interwork fully.  It does,
       however, require that 16-bit stations have full 48-bit
       functionality, and that both types of stations be able to receive
       frames sent to either size broadcast address.  In order to avoid
       interoperability problems, only 48-bit addresses shall be used
       with IP and ARP.

       The FDDI MAC specification defines two classes of LLC frames,
       Asynchronous and Synchronous.  Asynchronous frames are further
       controlled by a priority mechanism and two classes of token,
       Restricted and Unrestricted.  Only the use of Unrestricted tokens
       and Asynchronous frames are required by the standard for FDDI
       interoperability.




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       All IP and ARP frames shall be transmitted as Asynchronous LLC
       frames using Unrestricted tokens, and the Priority value is a
       matter of local convention.  Implementations should make the
       priority a tunable parameter for future use.  It is recommended
       that implementations provide for the reception of IP and ARP
       packets in Synchronous frames, as well as Restricted Asynchronous
       frames.

       After packet transmission, FDDI provides Frame Copied (C) and
       Address Recognized (A) indicators.  The use of these indicators
       is a local implementation decision.  Implementations may choose
       to perform link-level retransmission, ARP cache entry
       invalidation, etc., based on the values of these indicators and
       other information.  The semantics of these indicators, especially
       in the presence of bridges, are not well defined as of this
       writing.  Implementors are urged to follow the work of ANSI ASC
       X3T9.5 in regard to this issue in order to avoid interoperability
       problems.


 IEEE 802.2 Details

    While not necessary for supporting IP and ARP, all implementations
    must support IEEE 802.2 standard Class I service in order to be
    compliant with 802.2.  Described below is the minimum functionality
    necessary for a conformant station.  Some of the functions are not
    related directly to the support of the SNAP SAP (e.g., responding to
    XID and TEST commands directed to the null or global SAP addresses),
    but are part of a general LLC implementation.  Implementors should
    consult IEEE Std. 802.2 [11] for details.

    802.2 Class I LLC requires the support of Unnumbered Information
    (UI) Commands, eXchange IDentification (XID) Commands and Responses,
    and TEST link (TEST) Commands and Responses.  Stations need not be
    able to transmit XID and TEST commands, but must be able to transmit
    responses.


    Encodings

       Command frames are identified by having the low order bit of the
       SSAP address reset to zero.  Response frames have the low order
       bit of the SSAP address set to one.

       The UI command has an LLC control field value of 3.

       The XID command/response has an LLC control field value of 175
       (decimal) if the Poll/Final bit is off or 191 (decimal) if the
       Poll/Final bit is on.




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       The TEST command/response has an LLC control field value of 227
       (decimal) if the Poll/Final bit is off or 243 (decimal) if the
       Poll/Final bit is on.


    Elements of Procedure

       UI responses and UI commands with the Poll bit set shall be
       ignored.  UI commands having other than the SNAP SAP in the DSAP
       or SSAP fields shall not be processed as IP or ARP packets.

       When an XID or TEST command is received, an appropriate response
       must be returned.  XID and TEST commands must be responded to
       only if the DSAP is the SNAP SAP (170 decimal), the Null SAP (0
       decimal), or the Global SAP (255 decimal).  XID and TEST commands
       received with other DSAP values must not be responded to unless
       the station supports the addressed service.  Responses to XID and
       TEST frames shall be constructed as follows:

          Destination MAC:  Copied from Source MAC of the command
          Source MAC:  Set to the address of the MAC receiving the
                 command
          DSAP:  Copied from SSAP of the command
          SSAP:  Set to 171 decimal (SNAP SAP + Response bit) if the
                 DSAP in the command was the SNAP SAP or the Global SAP;
                 set to 1 decimal (Null SAP + Response bit) if the DSAP
                 in the command was the Null SAP

       When responding to an XID or a TEST command, the value of the
       Final bit in the response must be copied from the value of the
       Poll bit in the command.

       XID response frames must include an 802.2 XID Information field
       of 129.1.0 indicating Class I (connectionless) service.

       TEST response frames must echo the information field received in
       the corresponding TEST command frame.


 Appendix on Numbers

    The IEEE specifies numbers as bit strings with the least significant
    bit first, or bit-wise little-endian order.  The Internet protocols
    are documented in bit-wise big-endian order.  This may cause some
    confusion about the proper values to use for numbers.  Here are the
    conversions for some numbers of interest.







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    Number           IEEE        Internet    Internet
                     Binary      Binary      Decimal

    UI               11000000    00000011    3
    SAP for SNAP     01010101    10101010    170
    Global SAP       11111111    11111111    255
    Null SAP         00000000    00000000    0
    XID              11110101    10101111    175
    XID Poll/Final   11111101    10111111    191
    XID Info                                 129.1.0
    TEST             11000111    11100011    227
    TEST Poll/Final  11001111    11110011    243


 References

    [1]  Postel, J., "Internet Protocol", RFC-791, USC/Information
         Sciences Institute, September 1981.

    [2]  Plummer, D., "An Ethernet Address Resolution Protocol - or -
         Converting Network Protocol Addresses to 48.bit Ethernet
         Address for Transmission on Ethernet Hardware", RFC-826, MIT,
         November 1982.

    [3]  Postel, J., and Reynolds, J., "A Standard for the Transmission
         of IP Datagrams over IEEE 802 Networks", RFC-1042,
         USC/Information Sciences Institute, February, 1988.

    [4]  ISO, "Fiber Distributed Data Interface (FDDI) - Media Access
         Control", ISO 9314-2, 1989.  See also ANSI X3.139-1987.

    [5]  ISO, "Fiber Distributed Data Interface (FDDI) - Token Ring
         Physical Layer Protocol", ISO 9314-1, 1989.  See also ANSI
         X3.148-1988.

    [6]  ISO, "Fiber Distributed Data Interface (FDDI) - Physical Layer
         Medium Dependent", ISO DIS 9314-3, 1989.  See also ANSI X3.166-
         199x.

    [7]  ANSI, "FDDI Station Management", ANSI X3T9.5/84-49 Rev 6.0,
         1990.

    [8]  IEEE, "IEEE Standards for Local Area Networks: Carrier Sense
         Multiple Access with Collision Detection (CSMA/CD) Access
         Method and Physical Layer Specifications", IEEE, New York, New
         York, 1985.

    [9]  IEEE, "IEEE Standards for Local Area Networks: Token-Passing
         Bus Access Method and Physical Layer Specification", IEEE, New
         York, New York, 1985.



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    [10] IEEE, "IEEE Standards for Local Area Networks: Token Ring
         Access Method and Physical Layer Specifications", IEEE, New
         York, New York, 1985.

    [11] IEEE, "IEEE Standards for Local Area Networks: Logical Link
         Control", IEEE, New York, New York, 1985.

    [12] Reynolds, J.K., and J.  Postel, "Assigned Numbers", RFC-1010,
         USC/Information Sciences Institute, May 1987.

    [13] Braden, R., and J.  Postel, "Requirements for Internet
         Gateways", RFC-1009, USC/Information Sciences Institute, June
         1987.

    [14] Deering, S., "Host Extensions for IP Multicasting", RFC-1112,
         Stanford University, August, 1989.

    [15] Cohen, D., "On Holy Wars and a Plea for Peace", Computer, IEEE,
         October 1981.

    [16] Postel, J., "The TCP Maximum Segment Size Option and Related
         Topics", RFC-879, USC/Information Sciences Institute, November
         1983.



 Author's Address

 Dave Katz
 Merit/NSFNET
 1075 Beal Ave.
 Ann Arbor, MI  48109

 (313) 763-4898

 [email protected]
















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113.6Am I missing something ?COMICS::WOODWARDSmile!Wed Sep 12 1990 06:5827
In -.1, the draft RFC states that
 

  "...802.2 LLC Type 1 communication (which must be implemented by all
    conforming 802.2 stations) is used exclusively.  All frames must be
    transmitted in standard 802.2 LLC Type 1 Unnumbered Information
    format, with the DSAP and the SSAP fields of the 802.2 header set to
    the assigned global SAP value for SNAP [11].  The 24-bit
    Organization Code in the SNAP must be zero, and the remaining 16
    bits are the EtherType from Assigned Numbers [12] (IP = 2048, ARP =
    2054)."

My confusion;
	The way our translating bridges work when receiving an 'ethernet'
frame is to translate this to FDDI format, use a SNAP SAP and set the
Organisation Code = 0. A receiving bridge recognises the OUI is 0 and 
retranslates to 'ethernet' format. A problem occurs when a device conforming
to 802.3 sends out a snap sap with oui = 0, as the receiving bridge will 
turn this into an 'ethernet' frame, and the receiving station will expect 802.3
and communication doesn't happen too well. This means that the 802.3 station 
should always use a non-zero oui (as of rfc1122).

	BUT, doesn't the quote above contradict this and therefore
immediately make communication FDDI station to FDDI station incompatible
with 802.3 - FDDI and 802.3 - FDDI - 802.3. 

Steve
113.7KONING::KONINGNI1D @FN42eqWed Sep 12 1990 12:376
If the 802.3 station conforms to RFC 1122, as it should, then it will accept
Ethernet style frames and the corresponding "1042" style frames as equivalent,
and will respond appropriately to either.  Therefore the situation you
mentioned does not create a problem.

	paul
113.8Is there a "fix"?KERNEL::CARLETONLFri Jun 12 1992 06:4411
Hi All,

Is there, or is there going to be a "fix" for this problem under Ultrix?
I have a customer who needs to do this (its DECathena) and would apreciate
any advice you can give (particularly whether I should raise a CLD to 
get this fixed).

Cheers

...Les...
Les Carleton CSC/UK OSF/DECathena Support
113.9MIPSBX::thomasThe Code WarriorFri Jun 12 1992 10:562
For what?  ULTRIX accepts both.  Transmits Ethernet on Ethernet or 
encapsulated Ethernet on FDDI.
113.10KONING::KONINGPaul Koning, A-13683Fri Jun 12 1992 13:424
Yes, what problem?  I don't see any problem here.  Please explain what you
think is broken, for what systems.

	paul
113.11ARP(1) vs. ARP(6) in DB620?UFP::LARUEJeff LaRue: U.S. Network Resource CenterTue Apr 20 1993 11:1312
    I have a government customer that is using a DB620 to connect Sun
    workstations on an FDDI ring to some Textronix-based printers on
    Ethernets.....I believe that we are seeing a problem related to the
    previous entries in this note....
    
    When the Sun w/s issues an ARP(1) to the DB620, our bridge is responding
    with an ARP(6) message......could this be due to out-of-rev firmware
    in the bridge?  If so, what is the minimum revision level that is
    needed?
    
    -tnx,
    	Jeff
113.12KONING::KONINGPaul Koning, A-13683Tue Apr 20 1993 13:554
    Are you sure?  I know Sun at one time used ARP(6) but I didn't think we
    ever did.  Could the problem report have the two reversed?
    
    	paul
113.13UFP::LARUEJeff LaRue: U.S. Network Resource CenterTue Apr 20 1993 16:0212
    hi Paul,
    
    ....well, the customer put a datascope on the network and it is
    showing that the bridge is sending an ARP(6)!  While I haven't
    been able to get on-site myself to see it, this is a fairly
    technically astute customer!
    
    The Sun Sales rep seems to recognize this as a "problem" that
    he has seen before......(I got this second hand, so......;-))
    
    -tnx,
    	Jeff