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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

110.0. "DECstation 5000 with FDDI/no concentrator?" by SALSA::HUNTER () Tue Aug 14 1990 19:38

    The University of Arizona is looking into the FDDI boards for 
    Decstation 5000, when available.    They ask if it is possible
    to hook two DECstation 5000's together directly without going
    through a DECconcentrator 500?  If the "backbone is confined to the
    space between two offices, do they really need the concentrator?
    Or could they hook these into a DECbridge 500?
    
    Thanks for any help or advice.
    Cheryle
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110.1DECstations w/FDDI ctlr. needs DECconcentratorTOOHOT::RWILSONGoing crazy, want to come along?Tue Aug 14 1990 21:0726
    
    Cheryle,
    
    No, you can't connect DECstations together without using the
    DECconcentrator 500. There are a number of reasons for this,
    one being the DECconcentrator is designed to provide connectivity
    between FDDI systems & bridges, and stations on the dual FDDI ring, 
    or stations on other concentrators on the FDDI ring. There are others 
    reasons which we can discuss when we speak. 
    
    Bottom line, Digital's FDDI controllers and Bridges are Single
    Attachment Station (SAS) implementations and requires the DECconcentrator 
    for connectivity.
    The DECbridge 500 is designed to provide connectivity between Ethernet
    components and FDDI components, or Ethernet segments using FDDI as the
    transport medium.
    
    Give me a call at your earliest convenience..
    
    Later,
    
    Ray
      
    
    
    
110.2Two stations without concentratorTOOHOT::RWILSONGoing crazy, want to come along?Tue Aug 14 1990 21:247
    
    Cheryle,
    
    You can go two stations without a concentrator.
    
    See note #107. 

110.3A little more Info...AUNTB::REEDJohn Reed @CBO - DTN:367-6463 - NWSSWed Aug 15 1990 16:3868
    
    All of Digital's current FDDI devices are Single Attachment Stations
    (SAS) except the Concentrator (which is a DAC).  Our backplane
    controllers and the brige all have a single FDDI "S" connector.  The
    Concentrator has an "A" port, and a "B" port, and 4 (or 8) "M" ports.
    
    Notice, (as Paul' comment in 107.2 notes) that a slave port can connect
    to anything, but it becomes intrinsically limited without the
    concentrator.   The chart below is taken verbatim from the FDDI System
    Level Description Page 2-20.
    
    
    NODE:	       This Node     This Node     This Node    This Node
    	      Port Type	  A              B             M            S
                                                    (master)     (slave)
    
    Other Node    A       no            yes(1)        yes          yes
    
    Other Node    B       yes(2)         no           yes          yes
    
    Other Node    M       yes(3)        yes(4)        no           yes
    
    Other Node    S       yes           yes           yes          yes
    
     
    
    Rule 1:  	This Node's Port B can connect to Other Node's Port A IF AND
    		ONLY IF This Node's Port A is connected to Port B or S of
    		another station or disconnected.
    
    Rule 2:	This Node's Port A can connect to Other Node's Port B IF AND
    		ONLY IF This Node's Port B is connected to Port A or S of
    		another station or disconnected.
    
    Rule 3:	This Node's Port A can connect to Other Node's Port M IF AND
    		ONLY IF This Node's Port B is connected to Port A or S of
    		another station or disconnected.  If This Node's Port B is
    		connected to PORT A of another station, it immediately will
    		disconnect when This Node Port A connects to Port M of
    		Other Node.
    
    Rule 4:	This Node's Port B can accept connection to Other Node's Port 
    		M.  If This Node's Port A is connected to Port B or M of
    		another station, it will immediately disconnect when This
    		Node's Port B connects to Port M of Other node.
    
    
    Port A:	Connects to the incoming primary ring and the secondary
    		outgoing ring of the FDDI Dual ring.  Part of a (DAS) Dual
    		Attachment Station, or (DAC) Dual Attachment Concentrator.
    
    Port B:	Connects to the outgoing primary ring and the secondary
    		incoming ring of the FDDI Dual ring.  Part of a (DAS) Dual
    		Attachment Station, or (DAC) Dual Attachment Concentrator.
    
    Port M:	Master Port,  Connects a (CON) Concentrator to a SAS, DAS, or
    		another DAC.  This port is only implemented in the CON.
    
    Port S:	Slave Port,  Connects a SAS to a CON.  Can also connect to
    		a DAS, or another SAS, but these configurations are not 
    		recommended.
    
    
    End of excerpt: Page 2-20 FDDI System Level Description (EK-DFSLD-SD)
    
    
    JR
    JR