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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

105.0. "TRN<-->FDDI<-->Ethernet??" by FRAMBO::WILTRUD () Mon Aug 13 1990 09:11

    Hallo,
    
    Imagine a 3rd vendor has got a TokenRing to Ethernet Bridge. This
    Bridge implemented the Spanning Tree Algorithmus and works with the
    Translation mechanism (instead of encapsulation).
    Would it be possible that a Station connected to this Token Ring can
    communicate with a Station connected to Ethernet(the Ethernet is
    connected to the FDDI-Backbone with our DECbridge) via the FDDI Backbone?
    Of course on both LANs they must use the same protocol (for example
    TCP/IP).
    I know the packet size on a Token Ring is higher than on a Ethernet.
    But our Bridge does something like fragmentation?
    I suppose you should use FDDI for such a application, but does it
    really works?
    
    Thanks Wiltrud
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105.1�?ZPOV01::HWCHOYIt must be Thursday.Mon Aug 13 1990 22:387
    
    Don't you mean TokenRing to FDDI? ---------------+
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    � Imagine a 3rd vendor has got a TokenRing to Ethernet Bridge. This
    � Bridge implemented the Spanning Tree Algorithmus and works with the
    
105.2CVG::PETTENGILLmulpTue Aug 14 1990 22:5620
Once IBM backed down and agreed to `spanning tree' instead of `source routing'
as the means of interconnecting LANs, it became possible to bridge between
any arbitrary pairs of 802 compatible LANs and furthermore construct extended
LANs which are composed of almost arbitrary topologies of different 802 LAN
technologies.

Do the bridges exist?  I don't know beyond what DEC offers today, but I'm sure
they will be produced by DEC and numerous other vendors as the market demands.

Will the bridges operate like existing DEC bridges?  Probably.  DEC's profile
is high enough and our products are functional enough to be the benchmark
against which all other products will be measured.  This means that future
competing bridges can be expected to be 1) translating, not encapsulating
and 2) will fragment IP packets when necessary.

Has the problem of determining the minimum of all maximum packet sizes in
a path been solved?  No.  Except for IP packets, the end nodes must either
be set to the smallest maximum packet size on the LAN, ie., 1492 or the
end nodes must know more about the LAN configuration than is apparent
due to the transparent nature of the bridges.
105.3TRN<-->FDDI<-->ethernet really works?FRAMBO::WILTRUDWed Aug 15 1990 03:477
    re: 105.1: Of course I'm talking of a Token Ring to FDDI-Bridge (sorry)
    
    re: 105.2: So you suppose that communication Token
    Ring<-->FDDI<--->Ethernet with Communication Protocoll TCP/IP should
    work because our Bridge solves the packet Fragmentation for TCP/IP?
    
    Is this the only problem you must care for if build such a Bridge?
105.4KONING::KONINGNI1D @FN42eqWed Aug 15 1990 19:3913
There are two places in that picture where packet size issues occur:
(1) FDDI to Ethernet -- we handle that for TCP/IP; (2) 802.5 to FDDI --
since 802.5 has a larger max packet size than FDDI.  The same solution
would work, of course, and whoever builds the 802.5 to FDDI bridge will
presumably apply it.

For 802.5 there are various other problems that an 802.5 to FDDI (or 802.5
to anything else) bridge has to deal with, such as incorrect address encoding
in ARP packets in most 802.5 implementations, "functional" addresses
used rather than real multicast, and so on.  FDDI to Ethernet is pretty
simply by comparison!

	paul