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Conference 7.286::dcu

Title:DCU
Notice:1996 BoD Election results in 1004
Moderator:CPEEDY::BRADLEY
Created:Sat Feb 07 1987
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1041
Total number of notes:18759

777.0. "DCU attempts to prevent communication with members" by SMAUG::GARROD (DCU Board of Director's Candidate) Fri Mar 11 1994 13:28

At lunchtime Thursday March 10th Phil Gransewicz, Chris Gillett and myself
were in the MLO cafeteria at a table we had set up to distribute DCU election
information and answer members questions.

A DCU employee came over to the table and told Phil that DCU's "policy"
(which we'd never heard of until this time) prohibits campaigning within
100 feet of a DCU branch.  Phil simply stated that Digital's policy
clearly states that we could campaign in the cafeteria.  She then
indicated that she would call Digital security and Phil indicated that he had
no problem with her doing so.  All very polite.

A representative of Digital security then came by to discuss the call. We 
explained why we were there. The Digital security representative checked
the relevent policies and we stayed throughout the lunch hour with no objection
from the security representative or any other Digital employee.

Interestingly DCU HQ had sent out a memo to the MLO branch saying that
candidates were not to campaign within a 100 feet of a branch. It's
incredible that the management of DCU thinks that it can attempt to
regulate the actions of persons not in the employ of the credit union and
not on DCU property. I also think it inappropriate that DCU is trying to
get Digital security involved to try and regulate the actions of candidates
for the DCU board.

Dave
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777.1"Say, what country are we in?"BWICHD::SILLIKERCrocodile sandwich-make it snappyFri Mar 11 1994 13:417
    Can you spell I-N-T-I-M-I-D-A-T-I-O-N?
    
    Bravo for standing your ground!
    
    Gee, I miss the Mill, and the Mill cafe...
    
    Marina
777.2NASZKO::MACDONALDFri Mar 11 1994 14:3313
    
    
    WHAT UNBELIEVABLE GALL!!!!!!!
    
    AND SHE HAD THE FURTHER GALL TO ASK DIGITAL SECURITY TO ENFORCE A 
    DCU POLICY WHERE THE DCU HAS ABSOLUTELY NO AUTHORITY!!
    
    WHAT PLANET ARE THESE PEOPLE FROM?
    
    
    
    Steve
777.3What could the *possibly* be worried about?WLDBIL::KILGORETime to put the SHARE back in DCU!Fri Mar 11 1994 14:467
    
    Pretty cheeky of DCU management to try to control activities in a
    facility that grants it free space.
    
    Methinks Chuck should take another look at his "Don't be a DICK"
    t-shirt.
777.4TOOK::DELBALSOI (spade) my (dog face)Fri Mar 11 1994 15:045
How does the DCU manage to set these "policies" which extend past their
boundaries? What gives them the expectation that they can do so? Could
the board investigate this?

-Jack
777.5NASZKO::MACDONALDFri Mar 11 1994 15:2411
    
    Re: .4
    
    > What gives them the expectation that they can do so?
    
    Jack, To quote a response that I recall you made to something or
    other that Mark Steinkrauss had done, "The arrogance is astonishing."
    IMO, that accounts for it.
    
    Steve
777.6Maybe ...STAR::PARKETrue Engineers Combat ObfuscationFri Mar 11 1994 15:378
    Re .3:
    
    	Maybe it should be a
    
    	"Don't Chuck"
               
    tee shirt ?
777.7TOOK::DELBALSOI (spade) my (dog face)Fri Mar 11 1994 15:537
re: .5, Steve

Well, I grew to expect arrogance from Mark and the old guard, er, board.
But I guess I didn't realize it had rubbed off so indelibly on DEFCU
management. . . .

-Jack
777.8CADSYS::RITCHIEGotta love log homesFri Mar 11 1994 15:589
re: .7

Maybe it _came_from_ DEFCU management?

On the other hand, it could just be the particular branch manager doing her own
thing.  Remember, the management has taught them that all challenges to the
management are evil threats to their livelihood.

Elaine
777.9I've a seat on the BRD and I'm NOT gonna lose itCSC32::GAULKEFri Mar 11 1994 16:0010
    
    
     You don't really know if it was from DCU Management.
    
     It could have come from another director, and disguised
    as being from DCU management.
    
     Wouldn't surprise me one bit.
777.10CADSYS::RITCHIEGotta love log homesFri Mar 11 1994 16:064
re: .9

I meant the attitude came from management to the old board, not the other way
around
777.11This came from HQSMAUG::GARRODDCU Board of Director's CandidateFri Mar 11 1994 16:2212
    
    Re:
    
>On the other hand, it could just be the particular branch manager doing her own
>thing.  Remember, the management has taught them that all challenges to the
>management are evil threats to their livelihood.

    No. What the branch manager had was computer generated output on the
    thing they print out receipts on. It definitely looked like it came
    from DCU HQ. It didn't look locally generated to me.
    
    Dave
777.12Why am I not surprised?SPECXN::WITHERSBob WithersFri Mar 11 1994 16:2517
    I am not surprised in the least.  To me, this smacks of two things:
    
    First -- fear. Ol' Chuck is probably afraid that he'll be out of a job
    if the G3 ticket wins and wants to prevent them from spreading their
    message.
    
    Secondly, this reeks of the DCU's self-serving arrogant attitude.  I'm
    not talking about the people in the branches who are generally nice,
    but the folks who instigate Relationship BANKing, holiday clubs, and
    inane letters saying that chidlrens' accounts have a status of "inept"
    or whatever the letter says.
    
    BobW
    
    PS, I am surprised that the "DCU Policy" said 100 feet rather than
    100KM 8-(
777.13PATE::MACNEALruck `n' rollFri Mar 11 1994 16:302
    Maybe the DCU doesn't want a campaign happening in front of their doors
    so it doesn't look like they are actively endorsing a candidate.
777.14SCHOOL::KOPACKOFri Mar 11 1994 16:476
RE: .13

Keith, you are one funny guy...

:^)
Ray
777.15ASE003::GRANSEWICZCandidate for DCU DirectorFri Mar 11 1994 17:007
    
    RE: .13
    
    Then DCU should not have placed a branch within 100 feet of an area
    defined as a cafeteria.  We don't make the policies, we only live by them.
    After all, Digital employees were here first.
777.16TOOK::DELBALSOI (spade) my (dog face)Fri Mar 11 1994 22:579
re: .9
    
>     It could have come from another director, and disguised
>    as being from DCU management.
    
Well, actually that was why I proposed that the board investigate it. Might
be kind of interesting . . . 

-Jack
777.17VMSVTP::S_WATTUMOSI Applications Engineering, WestMon Mar 14 1994 16:479
I'm reminded of the movie "Zorro - The Gay Blade" when Lauren Becal (sp) attempts
to pursuade the townspeople at the town square to overthrow the greedy
bloodsuckers....

"Arrest that woman!"

"Wait, doesn't town law allow anyone to speak freely at the town square?"

"Yes.  Very well then, arrest anyone who listens!"
777.18Shootin' blanksASE003::GRANSEWICZCandidate for DCU DirectorMon Mar 14 1994 17:227
    
    RE: .17  Thanks for the laugh!
    
    This sort of stuff went on two years ago too.  It didn't stop us then
    and it won't stop us now.  You'd think somebody might have learned that
    but I guess not.  Like I said, full circle in two short years...