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521.1 | "Nice doggie, nice doggie." | AOSG::AOSG::JMARTIN | Joseph A. Martin, Alpha VM | Wed Apr 08 1992 12:41 | 33 |
| >>Massachusetts Share Insurance Corp. However, that money won't be made
>>available until regulators resolve concerns about the Globe credit
>>union's board of directors.
>>
>>State and federal regulators say that even if a credit union takes the
>>proper steps to qualify for the additional capital, it could be denied
>>federal insurance, closed or merged out of business on the grounds
>>that the way it is being run does not meet broad "safety and
>>soundness" rules.
To me the biggest revelation in the article is that regulators who
would never think of intruding into the PROCESS of CU elections have
no qualms about voiding the OUTCOME of CU elections. I realize that
these are state-chartered institutions (unlike DCU), but DCU lives in
the same "regulatory climate" and, in fact, deals with the same NCUA
which is "deferring" insurance to some of these CUs. Maybe it's too
soon to forget Marx and Engels sneering at "bourgeois liberty".
A surplus capital of $234,000 divided by assets of $11,600,000 is a 2%
ratio. The Globe CU manager says they're shooting for twice that, 4%.
Why is Mr. Cockburn going for 8%? Correct me if I'm wrong, but DCU
presently has a capital/assets ratio around 3%, down from a
pre-pillage 5%. Why the 8% goal? It's an important question, since
that goal is going to drive almost every substantive decision that the
financial professionals make and propose. 8% means bank-like spread
between deposit and loan rates, as well as endless invention in fees.
Even if the ties didn't influence me, it's a good thing that most of
the Real Choices candidates wore them for their pictures. They can
show the pictures to the NCUA as a demonstration of their
rehabilitation to banker-like respectability. ;-)
\Joe
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521.2 | could reduce expenses | SLOAN::HOM | | Wed Apr 08 1992 14:22 | 38 |
| Another way, albeit a minor one, to improve the surplus
is to reduce expenses. In the latest
DCU newsletter, Chuck Cockburn indicated that he has hired
1) a new General Counsel ("experienced with credit unions"),
2) a new accounting firm.
Both firms are located on the West Coast. O'Rourke & Clark's address
is
200 Valley Drive
Brisbane, CA.
(The local address for ballots was probably picked to shorten mail
delivery time.)
In defense of Chuck, I can understand his desires to use firms that he
is familar with (I assume from his Rockwell days). Perhaps he will
consider using local firms in the future. I and other Real Choices
candidates certainly would push for use of local firms.
Given this statement, I question whether the statement by
Michael J. Sacher of O'Rourke is really accurate or not:
"Michael J. Sacher, CPA
Vice-President
O'Rourke & Clark
Accountancy Corporation
[ text removed... see note 502.63 for full text]
As you are aware, O'Rourke & Clark Accountancy Corporation has been
appointed Tellers of Election. We are an independent CPA firm with no
interest in the outcome of the election."
Gim
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521.3 | Local to who? | BSS::C_BOUTCHER | | Wed Apr 08 1992 14:53 | 6 |
| re:2
What do you mean by "local firms"? Local to who? DCU is a credit
union that covers a wide geography.
Thanks
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521.4 | Local to DCU HQ | RGB::SEILER | Larry Seiler | Wed Apr 08 1992 15:10 | 11 |
| DCU HQ is where most of the records are kept and where most of the people
the auditors need to see are located. New England is also where most
(though not all) of the Board meetings are held, and it is likely that it
will always be where a majority of the Board members live and work.
DCU does indeed cover a wide geography, and its operations should become
more geographically inclusive. However, DCU headquarters seems to me
to cover a pretty small territory, and it probably always will.
Enjoy,
Larry
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521.5 | | AOSG::GILLETT | Petition candidate for DCU BoD | Wed Apr 08 1992 15:25 | 11 |
| re: .4,
By the same argument, it would make little sense to use
a firm in Boston if the headquarters were located in Los
Angeles.
The only real issue I see here is finding the right firm
in the area. If that can be done, then having a firm in
California doesn't make much sense to me.
./chris
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521.6 | | INDUCE::SHERMAN | ECADSR::Sherman DTN 223-3326 | Wed Apr 08 1992 16:00 | 4 |
| It could also be that Chuck chose these firms because he knew and
trusted them. If the cost of doing business with them is not
significantly different, trust could be the overriding factor versus
geographical location.
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521.7 | | CSC32::S_MAUFE | society needs a cat proof keyboard. | Wed Apr 08 1992 16:53 | 10 |
|
let me check I understand, the same firm that is tallying the election
has just been appointed auditors to the CU, and will be picking up
fees?
Sure hope those chinese walls are strong,
Simon
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521.8 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Wed Apr 08 1992 16:57 | 6 |
| � let me check I understand, the same firm that is tallying the election
� has just been appointed auditors to the CU, and will be picking up
� fees?
I believe that they were selected prior to the election and that
tallying votes in an election is part of their duties.
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521.9 | | GUFFAW::GRANSEWICZ | REAL CHOICES for a real CU! | Wed Apr 08 1992 17:31 | 7 |
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RE: .7
My understanding is that they do not perform the actual tally. They
audit the *process*, ie. ensure its integrity and accuracy. I believe
there is another company involved in processing the ballots, hence the
"and their representatives will have access to the ballot."
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521.10 | | SLOAN::HOM | | Wed Apr 08 1992 17:36 | 26 |
| -.2 may be incorrect.
The bylaws (as of January, 1992) state that tellers are appointed by
the president after nominations are closed. The need not be the same
firm as auditing firm. What's interesting is that the President
appoints the Tellers and the Tellers in term hire another firm to
to do the vote tabulation.
BYLAWS
Federal Credit Union, Charter No- 23521
(A corporation chartered under the la,, of the United States)
Article Vi. Elections
Section 2.
... and when nominations have been
closed, tellers shall be appointed by the president, ballots shall be
distributed, the vote shall be taken and tallied by the tellers, and
the results announced.
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521.11 | | AOSG::GILLETT | Petition candidate for DCU BoD | Wed Apr 08 1992 17:37 | 17 |
| Process as I understand it:
DCU:
Hires accounting firm
Hires tally/source firm (?)
Sources ballot material
Tally Firm:
Receives ballot, handles count
Accounting Firm:
Oversees processing, audits the results,
submits results to DCU.
All pretty standard stuff.
./chris
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