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| 442.1 | Update - FXO & TWO dates & times added | GUFFAW::GRANSEWICZ | Someday, DCU will be a credit union. | Mon Feb 03 1992 12:38 | 81 |
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DCU Petition Candidate Sign-up
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DCU members who wish to sign the petition form of candidates
trying to get their name on the ballot for the upcoming DCU
election may do so at the following locations:
ALF cafe Tuesday February 11 11:45-12:45
Wednesday February 12 11:45-12:45
FXO cafe Tuesday February 4 12:00-1:00
Wednesday February 5 12:00-1:00
GSF cafe Wednesday February 5 11:45-12:30
Thursday February 6 11:45-12:30
HLO cafe Tuesday February 4 11:30-12:00
Wednesday February 5 11:30-1:00
Thursday February 6 12:00-1:00
LJO cafe Tuesday February 4 12:00-1:00
Wednesday February 5 12:00-1:00
Thursday February 6 12:00-1:00
LKG cafe Tuesday February 4 11:30-1:00
Wednesday February 5 11:30-1:00
Thursday February 6 11:30-1:00
LTN1 cafe Tuesday February 4 11:30-1:00
Thursday February 6 11:30-1:00
LTN2 cafe Tuesday February 4 11:30-12:30
Thursday February 6 11:30-12:30
LMO2 cafe Wednesday February 5 11:30-1:00
Thursday February 6 11:30-1:00
MKO2 cafe Wednesday February 5 11:30-1:00
MLO5 cafe Tuesday February 4 11:30-1:00
Wednesday February 5 11:30-1:00
Thursday February 6 11:30-1:00
MRO3 cafe Tuesday February 4 12:00-1:00
MRO4 cafe Thursday February 6 11:30-1:00
NRO5 cafe Thursday February 13 11:30-1:00
Friday February 14 11:30-1:00
SHR3 cafe Tuesday February 4 12:00-1:00
Wednesday February 5 12:00-1:00
Thursday February 6 12:00-1:00
TAY1 cafe Tuesday February 4 11:30-1:00
Wednesday February 5 11:30-1:00
Thursday February 6 11:30-1:00
TTB cafe Tuesday February 4 11:30-1:00
Wednesday February 5 11:30-1:00
TWO cafe Tuesday February 4 11:30-1:00
Wednesday February 5 12:00-1:00
ZKO cafe Tuesday February 4 11:30-1:00
Wednesday February 5 11:30-1:00
Thursday February 6 11:30-1:00
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Check the cafe during lunch Tues-Thurs at these sites:
CXO CTC RTO
as well as SCA 8th floor breakroom
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| 442.2 | COP (and DC) information | PRIMES::ZIMMERMANN | @COP, Greenbelt MD, 341-5318 | Mon Feb 03 1992 22:43 | 19 |
| My name is Mark Zimmermann, PRIMES sales support, COP-3/4. I am
interested and available to collect signatures for petition candidates
to the BOD of DCU. Those of you in the DC area will note that we have
several facilities.
Per the Orange Book, I am not allowed to collect signatures in work
areas. Also, because the cafateria in DCO is open to customers, I am
not sure I would be able to collect signatures there either (it might
express the wrong message to our customers).
Therefore, I will try to make the petitions available on request. If
anyone in the DC area is interested in signing a petition, please send
me VAXmail to PRIMES::ZIMMERMANN, and reference BOD in your subject. I
will read these messages, and get back to you on my own time. If
anyone has any ideas about collecting signatures (lke some off-site
location), please let me know. I am willing to take vacation time
(since I am approaching my max anyway) to be accomodating.
Also note, that there is a Feb 19 deadline.
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| 442.3 | | 6602::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Tue Feb 04 1992 09:45 | 7 |
| � Per the Orange Book, I am not allowed to collect signatures in work
� areas. Also, because the cafateria in DCO is open to customers, I am
� not sure I would be able to collect signatures there either (it might
� express the wrong message to our customers).
Has anyone run the petition gathering process by their local personnel
office?
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| 442.4 | | 2183::GILLETT | And you may ask yourself, 'How do I work this?' | Tue Feb 04 1992 10:04 | 11 |
| re .3
Several people at a couple sites have asked their local laison regarding
permission, and have received consent. Several others have not asked
permission, but will be collecting.
When the Special Meeting petition drive was afoot, I collected signatures
at HLO in the cafeteria during lunch time and was unchallenged with regard
to propriety of my actions.
./chris
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| 442.5 | All set on that front | GUFFAW::GRANSEWICZ | Someday, DCU will be a credit union. | Tue Feb 04 1992 10:20 | 9 |
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RE: .3
All signature collection is done within the restrictions of the
Orange book. The Orange book is not a "local" document and its
policies & procedures should not be up to various local
interpretations. I discussed signature gathering at length with Roin
Glover prior to the Special Meeting petition drive.
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| 442.6 | | 6602::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Tue Feb 04 1992 10:58 | 12 |
| �The Orange book is not a "local" document and its
� policies & procedures should not be up to various local
� interpretations.
This may be true in a perfect world, but in reality the Orange Book
leaves itself open for interpretation using the "Do the Right Thing"
philosophy. As has been pointed out a few times in here "Business
Reasons" can have several interpretations.
I made the "contact local personnel" suggestion because I think some
people may be reading a little too much into some of the policy
statements.
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| 442.7 | a good idea | RGB::SEILER | Larry Seiler | Tue Feb 04 1992 11:10 | 11 |
| re .-1:
I think it's an excellent suggestion. Although I don't believe that we
need *permission* to gather signatures in the cafeteria during lunch, I
feel that it is appropriate to inform personnel, the site manager, or
whomever is appropriate and resolve any concerns about whether the
activity will be disruptive or inappropriate. And besides, why step
on any more toes than we have to?
Enjoy,
Larry
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| 442.8 | | GUFFAW::GRANSEWICZ | Someday, DCU will be a credit union. | Tue Feb 04 1992 11:16 | 6 |
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Much ado about nothing...
The Personnel Reps are usually the first people at the sites to
sign the petitions!
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| 442.9 | | 6602::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Tue Feb 04 1992 12:46 | 5 |
| � Much ado about nothing...
My point exactly. Instead of worrying over whether or not what you're
doing is against P&P, go down and ask the people who are paid to know
P&P. You'll probably be pleasantly surprised.
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| 442.10 | The non-problem has been solved | GUFFAW::GRANSEWICZ | Someday, DCU will be a credit union. | Tue Feb 04 1992 14:40 | 12 |
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RE: .9
Really? I thought you asked your question in .3 because you didn't
know?
I thought I asked the right person when I asked Ron Glover, the person
in the know on this kind of thing. He mentioned nothing about asking
each site personnel rep. If it's a corp. policy, one would think it
should have a corp. interpretation (thus asking Ron Glover). Otherwise,
the local site personnel reps would be in for a lot more work.
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| 442.11 | | 6602::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Tue Feb 04 1992 15:46 | 15 |
| � Really? I thought you asked your question in .3 because you didn't
� know?
What I didn't know was if any of the folks expressing trepidation about
how to go about gathering signatures had asked the folks in the know.
We heard a lot of what if's, but now that we know someone has talked to
Ron Glover and have his OK I guess we can put this to bed.
�If it's a corp. policy, one would think it
� should have a corp. interpretation (thus asking Ron Glover). Otherwise,
� the local site personnel reps would be in for a lot more work.
The local site reps should at least have an interpretation, hopefully
it is a corporate interpretation. They are generally more accessible
than the corporate reps.
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| 442.12 | new sites - MET, NIO, MKO1, MRO1, SHR1 | GUFFAW::GRANSEWICZ | Someday, DCU will be a credit union. | Tue Feb 04 1992 18:04 | 90 |
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DCU Petition Candidate Sign-up
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DCU members who wish to sign the petition form of candidates
trying to get their name on the ballot for the upcoming DCU
election may do so at the following locations:
ALF cafe Tuesday February 11 11:45-12:45
Wednesday February 12 11:45-12:45
FXO cafe Tuesday February 4 12:00-1:00
Wednesday February 5 12:00-1:00
GSF cafe Wednesday February 5 11:45-12:30
Thursday February 6 11:45-12:30
HLO cafe Tuesday February 4 11:30-12:00
Wednesday February 5 11:30-1:00
Thursday February 6 12:00-1:00
LJO cafe Tuesday February 4 12:00-1:00
Wednesday February 5 12:00-1:00
Thursday February 6 12:00-1:00
LKG cafe Tuesday February 4 11:30-1:00
Wednesday February 5 11:30-1:00
Thursday February 6 11:30-1:00
LTN1 cafe Tuesday February 4 11:30-1:00
Thursday February 6 11:30-1:00
LTN2 cafe Tuesday February 4 11:30-12:30
Thursday February 6 11:30-12:30
LMO2 cafe Wednesday February 5 11:30-1:00
Thursday February 6 11:30-1:00
MET cafe Wednesday February 5 11:30-1:00
Thursday February 6 11:30-1:00
MKO1 cafe Thursday February 6 12:00-1:00
MKO2 cafe Wednesday February 5 11:30-1:00
MLO5 cafe Tuesday February 4 11:30-1:00
Wednesday February 5 11:30-1:00
Thursday February 6 11:30-1:00
MRO1 cafe Wednesday February 5 11:30-1:00
MRO3 cafe Tuesday February 4 12:00-1:00
Wednesday February 5 12:00-1:00
MRO4 cafe Thursday February 6 11:30-1:00
NIO cafe Thursday February 6 11:30-1:00
NRO5 cafe Thursday February 13 11:30-1:00
Friday February 14 11:30-1:00
SHR1 cafe Wednesday February 5 11:30-1:00
SHR3 cafe Tuesday February 4 12:00-1:00
Wednesday February 5 12:00-1:00
Thursday February 6 12:00-1:00
TAY1 cafe Tuesday February 4 11:30-1:00
Wednesday February 5 11:30-1:00
Thursday February 6 11:30-1:00
TTB cafe Tuesday February 4 11:30-1:00
Wednesday February 5 11:30-1:00
TWO cafe Tuesday February 4 11:30-1:00
Wednesday February 5 12:00-1:00
ZKO cafe Tuesday February 4 11:30-1:00
Wednesday February 5 11:30-1:00
Thursday February 6 11:30-1:00
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Check the cafe during lunch Tues-Thurs at these sites:
CXO CTC RTO
as well as SCA 8th floor breakroom
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| 442.13 | | WLDBIL::KILGORE | DCU Elections -- Vote for a change... | Tue Feb 04 1992 20:51 | 17 |
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It's the end of the first day of signature gathering, and we've made an
excellent start, but the candidates still need to collect a lot more
signatures to attain the 500 mark (plus enough extra to cover any
signatures rejected by DCU).
Note 442.12 contains the list if sites where signatures will be gathered.
Note that there will be instensive activity both tomorrow (Wednesday,
05-Feb) and Thursday (06-Feb).
Any sites not mentioned in .12 have not been staffed to gather
signatures. Anyone wishing to staff those sites should contact Phil
GUFFAW::GRANSEWICZ. Anyone who can't get to a collection site can print
the petitions in WLDBIL::DCU$PUBLIC:PETITION_FORMS.PS, sign them and
return them to the candidates at addresses listed in
WLDBIL::DCU$PUBLIC:PETITION_INSTRUCTIONS.TXT.
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| 442.14 | So, what were the totals? | CIMNET::KYZIVAT | Paul Kyzivat | Sun Feb 09 1992 16:34 | 4 |
| Is there a reason why the petition signature counts from last week have not
been posted? Did we get enough for most of the candidates?
Paul
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| 442.15 | Signatures; yes everybody has plenty of them | SMAUG::GARROD | An Englishman's mind works best when it is almost too late | Sun Feb 09 1992 17:28 | 23 |
| It's up to the candidates themselves if they want to post their
individual totals. But of the 9 original petition candidates all 9 now
have over 800 petition endorsements. One even has over 1000
endorsements. There are several other candidates who got on board late
who have less endorsements.
So the bottom line is that when ballot time comes there will definitely
be some REAL choices as against MORE choices.
It is pretty likely that the petition candidates with over 500
endorsements will meet this week and decide whether all or only some of
them will run.
More information will be posted here as things unfold. I personally
would like to thank all of the petition signature gatherers for all
your hard work. We're definitely now on our way to getting a board of
directors that truly represents the wishes of the average member.
Next election time we hope DCU will see fit to put in place a real
nominating committee rather than an appointment committee. If they'd
done that this time everybody would not have had to spend their time
given the membership some REAL choices as against MORE choices.
Dave
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| 442.16 | | CVG::THOMPSON | Radical Centralist | Sun Feb 09 1992 18:53 | 8 |
| The candidates have received counts of the signatures collected
in their behalf. For myself I look forward to releasing the total
that I have. However, there is a conservative streak in me that
resists counting those petitions as "real" until I have them in
my hand. The reports are of over 800 names and that makes me feel
better. And relieved. And grateful.
Alfred
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| 442.17 | Too many candidates | PLOUGH::KINZELMAN | Paul Kinzelman | Mon Feb 10 1992 08:52 | 29 |
| Re: .14 and your other comment (elsewhere) about me withdrawing...
BTW, I believe I have approximately 930 signatures.
We were concerned when we started this thing we would not have enough
qualified people to run. Now, it appears we have too many in the sense that
any more than 7 people dilute our chances of any of us winning. Having, say,
15 people on the ballot (I don't think we have *that* many) would be shooting
ourselves in the foot. Personally, I think more than 9 would be catastrophic.
I think 7 would be the best.
Would anybody object if there were only 7
petition candidates on the ballot even tho they signed for more? Remember,
this is our one shot at recovering DCU. If we succeed this year, subsequent
elections will be more open and folks will have a better chance. If we
fail this year, DCU goes back to being a bank. This year is pivotal.
I'm considering withdrawing mostly because it's not fair for me to ask/expect
somebody else to withdraw unless I'm also willing to consider withdrawing.
Note there are other important tasks for which good people will be needed so
even if people don't make it to the BoD, there is the opportunity to do
other tasks. For instance, there is the supervisory committee, the credit
committee, etc.
As Bill noted previously, the candidates and any other interested parties will
be meeting this week to try to hash out what the right number is and to find
an equitable method of arriving at that number of petition candidates. This
process will of course be voluntary.
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| 442.18 | | COMET::PERCIVAL | I'm the NRA, USPSA/IPSC, NROI-RO | Mon Feb 10 1992 10:06 | 17 |
| <<< Note 442.17 by PLOUGH::KINZELMAN "Paul Kinzelman" >>>
> -< Too many candidates >-
Paul, I hope you and the other petition candidates make this decision
AFTER the petitions have been "validated".
Not to appear paranoid, but I would not be terribly suprised
if a large number of petition signatures were ruled "invalid"
for one reason or another.
As for having too many candidates, I'm not sure that this
dilutes the vote. The results of the election will still be
based upon those 7 candidates receiving the highest vote
totals. Given this methodology, it's hard to "dilute" the
voting process.
Jim
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| 442.19 | Too many candidates? | PLOUGH::KINZELMAN | Paul Kinzelman | Mon Feb 10 1992 10:31 | 17 |
| Patti D'Addieco is supposed to get back to me with the answer to the question
whether a candidate may withdraw after submitting signatures. She has not
answered that question yet.
I agree with your concern, but I think if we have 900 signatures per
candidate, it would be difficult to disqualify over 400 signatures. And if
they were to invalidate that many for pickey reasons, we could just do the
whole special meeting thing again and I think DCU knows it.
By "diluting" the vote I meant increasing the chances that a nominated
candidate will win. One of the reasons we're going to all this trouble
to help get petition candidates on the ballot is because we don't trust
the nomination process (for reasons documented elsewhere in this file).
I've heard that a couple of the nominated candidates
are good, others are not good (the incumbents, among others), but we just
don't know. Remember, many members still don't know what the issues are,
and DCU won't tell them.
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| 442.20 | Hang in their - for OUR sake | STAR::BUDA | DCU Elections - Vote for a change... | Mon Feb 10 1992 11:47 | 7 |
| Paul,
Do not withdraw. I want someone who will be forthright, speaks
their mind and is not afraid of the establishment...
We need another point of view on the board... :-)
- mark
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| 442.21 | | MIZZOU::SHERMAN | ECADSR::Sherman DTN 223-3326 | Mon Feb 10 1992 12:20 | 9 |
| Ironically, having a candidate willing to withdraw in the interests of
better serving the interests of shareholders is exactly the type of
candidate I'm willing to vote for. I have every reason to believe that
Paul (and others) are sincere about this. I'd feel bad if any
candidates felt pressured to withdraw by others. At any rate,
regardless of how many run, I plan to vote for the 7 that I think are
best.
Steve
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| 442.22 | decide as a group | CIMNET::KYZIVAT | Paul Kyzivat | Mon Feb 10 1992 12:33 | 13 |
| I appreciate what motivates Paul to volunteer to withdraw. I agree that
there may be a valid case for limiting the number on the ballot. However I
would hate to have this decision be made precipitously by those most
willing to sacrifice themselves for the common good.
If the petition candidates are planning to have a meeting to discuss
strategy for going forward, then it makes for them to discuss some
withdrawing, and a process for deciding who should withdraw.
I just don't want to end up with a slate consisting of those least willing
to withdraw - IMO that isn't a very good selection criterion.
Paul
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