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Conference unxa::cde

Title:CDE on Digital UNIXonment - CDE
Notice:CDE on Digital UNIX - for CDE on VMS, please see Note 1.3
Moderator:UNXA::SYSTEM
Created:Tue Nov 23 1993
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:660
Total number of notes:2674

648.0. "ALPHASERVER 400 /CDE LOGIN SLOW" by ODIXIE::SCOTT () Wed May 14 1997 13:37

    What is an acceptable login time frame for an ALPHASERVER 400
    running CDE ??? XDM takes a minute or less to create a window
    session while CDE take upwards of 5 minutes. The ALPHASERVER 400
    has 32MB of memory - is this acceptable ??
    
    The customer needs this cpu for failover redundancy and the time frames
    for CDE are unacceptable to his operations. The customer indicated
    that XDM is unsuitable for his windowing activity.
    
    Any suggestions would be quite helpful. I checked out note 469 , 
    and it seems I am not the only site having this problem/feature/bug.
    
    Dan
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648.1Is customer using X terminals?UNXA::PARLOCKWed May 14 1997 16:042
    
648.2more infoODIXIE::SCOTTThu May 15 1997 16:516
    oops ... customer is using VGA / UNIX 4.0b / ALPHASERVER 400
    
    this is the console....remote access seems ok via TELNET...
    Just the local graphics access is extremely slow at launch time.
    
    Dan
648.332 MB??GERUND::WOLFEI'm going to huff, and puff, and blow your house downFri May 16 1997 01:2614
Why are we selling AlphaServer anythings with 32 MB of memory? If you 
were a customer would you buy such a system? CDE is substantially
larger than XDM. While it clearly runs in such an environment its
not a pretty thing. I doubt the average customer would ever be satisfied
with CDE on such system.

>I checked out note 469, and it seems I am not the only site having this 
>problem/feature/bug.

Have you compared the 5 minute login time to equivalently config'd systems? 
How much memory does the customer's primary system have? I'm guessing this is
strictly a memory issue and the other system has more memory.

			Pete
648.4small suggestionsUNXA::DERZINSKIFri May 16 1997 15:3634
Hi,

To work around the lack of memory problem, you may, for kicks, 
try defining "DTNONETWORK=TRUE" in /etc/rc.config

This may help minimize some of the networking overhead.  
(It may short circuit the protocol stack traversal) 
Your mileage may vary. 

I would be interested to know if this made a difference.

Another trick (officially not recommended) is to comment out 
the rpc.ttdbserverd entry in /etc/inetd.conf. This should not 
have any  noticeable effect to a standard CDE configuration.  
If you notice any problems or have special appliations that 
make use of rpc.ttdbserverd, you will need to turn on the 
daemon again. 

To do this:

Send the HUP signal to the init process to force the init 
process to re-read the /etc/inetd.conf file.
kill the rpc.ttdbserverd process.

Or just reboot.

This should free the memory with the daemon and 
will eliminate ttsession's talking to rpc.ttdbserverd via local 
RPC. This would reduce the need for process swapping and thrashing 
if that is the case.

Good luck.

John D.
648.5time will tellODIXIE::SCOTTTue May 20 1997 19:0811
    The other system is a ALPHASERVER 4100 with 512MB , so this would be
    a comparison of apples and oranges. He was sold on the ALPHASERVER 400
    as a failover cheapy way out. The customer has calculated that the
    actual hits on the server would be well within the ballpark of the 400
    and not be a concern - my opinion is : why did he buy a 4100 if the 400
    can handle the load ?? I don't think I am getting the full picture.
    
    I will try the hints in .4 , customer permitting.
    
    thanks,
    Dan
648.6Also check your resource files just in caseAOSG::MASINICKBrian Masinick, DTN 381-0013Thu May 22 1997 14:5521
    One other potential problem (I'm not sure whether you are seeing this
    or not) is the following: the stock AlphaServers come with cheap VGA
    graphics cards.  We have two AlphaStation 1000 systems.  Each of them
    have a nice 21" color display monitor, but only a REAL BASIC VGA
    graphics card (not sure of the exact name/type, but it's the STD. one). 
    I found that everything displays in a size MUCH larger than it does on
    the same monitor with a SVGA or better graphics card.  Scrolling
    performance in terminal windows is painfully slow (and both of our
    systems have either 256 or 512 MB, so memory is NOT a problem in our
    case.  If we display to another system with a good graphics card,
    performance is excellent.
    
    I found that fiddling around with the number of lines in scrolling
    history and related parameters for each type of terminal emulator I run
    (xterm, dxterm, dtterm) got around the problem.
    
    Like I said, I'm not sure if this is also biting you or not, but it's
    another data point to check out.  I've got resource files that work
    nice, should you need them.
    
    Brian   22-MAY-1997 13:58:44