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| 1889.1 | This has been taking up most of my time lately. | XANADU::flymht.zko.dec.com::TAMARA::STJEAN | Bob St.Jean | Fri Jan 03 1997 15:47 | 28 |
| 1889.2 | What do they want? | XANADU::cascobay.zko.dec.com::TAMARA::STJEAN | Bob St.Jean | Mon Feb 17 1997 19:10 | 50 |
| Jenny,
> Any update on the availability of this document?
I posted the document awhile ago in the MS Office FAQ topic. It's in
note 42.7. You can send it to them if you like. It's not the most
polished document ever written, but it will do.
> My customer has
> blindly started to go ahead and install Office 97, they have a "tough
> luck" attitude to the fact there are no virus checkers yet and are
> saying "well maybe this is the final nail in the coffin of TeamLinks
> then".
What do virus checkers in Office 97 have to do with TL? MS Word 97
and Excel 97 have built-in warnings that tell you when a document has
an autorun macro. So the user doesn't have to run the macro. This
is the approach the MS took for virus checking. It would work this
way no matter other apps you used with Office 97 for mailing or
document management.
Why would they be saying this is the final nail in the coffin of
TeamLinks? We have as good or better integration with MS Office 97
as any other app. The only thing we don't have yet is converters/
viewer/autorec support. But TL 2.7 shipped about 4 months ahead of
MS Office 97 so what would they expect?
> Sigh, they really don't know what they are getting themselves into if
> they think it's going to be easy to convert millions of WPS+
> docuements, many of them containsing TDE diagrams, to another format -
> not to mention the problems they'll have trying to make people who've
> never touched a PC (only a VT) use Exchange or Domino.
I'm not familiar with your customer so I don't know what's going
on there. If they use TL 2.7 and ODMA, they will be able to open their
WPSPLUS documents in MS Word 97. TL will first convert the WPSPLUS
file to Word 6/7, the newest format we can convert to, then give it
to Word 97 for read-only access. I have no idea what a TDE diagram
is or whether the Mastersoft converter can handle them.
Exchange isn't much of a document management system. Domino isn't
a mail system, it's a Web server over Lotus Notes. It depends what
they're requirements are. TeamLinks combined with ALL-IN-1 servers
and the new ALL-IN-1 Web Interface provide e-mail, good document
management, and nice Web publishing of documents in the file cabinet.
Plus they don't have to move or convert any of their existing
documents, nor deal with data replication.
HTH,
Bob
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| 1889.3 | What happened?! | XANADU::cascobay.zko.dec.com::TAMARA::STJEAN | Bob St.Jean | Mon Feb 17 1997 19:15 | 4 |
| What happened to the note 1889.2 that I was responding to? Did it
get deleted while I was entering my reply?!
Bob
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| 1889.4 | Notes clash | SNOFS1::JOYCEJENNY | Still crazy after all these years | Mon Feb 17 1997 20:08 | 74 |
| re .3 - yes there was a notes clash - I found your posted document and
deleted my note.
>What do virus checkers in Office 97 have to do with TL? MS Word 97
>and Excel 97 have built-in warnings that tell you when a document has
>an autorun macro. So the user doesn't have to run the macro. This
>is the approach the MS took for virus checking. It would work this
>way no matter other apps you used with Office 97 for mailing or
>document management.
I admit virus checkers have nothing to do with TL - it's an issue with
Office 97. As for users not running a macro, that assumes users are
cluey enough to understand what a macro is, and I don't thing my users
are that clever (:-)).
But doesn't TL automatically run macros to load the integration?
>Why would they be saying this is the final nail in the coffin of
>TeamLinks?
good question - one I sent a mail back querying. (certainly this site
has an issue with time management, but I don't know of any other
"nails"). I think it's a case of management looking for any excuse to
move to Exchange or preferably Domino. Those ambitions are not based
on any valid technical reasons, just that some one has convinced the
powers that be that it would be a good idea. I am constantly battling
to retain some sense in these deliberations.
>We have as good or better integration with MS Office 97
>as any other app. The only thing we don't have yet is converters/
>viewer/autorec support. But TL 2.7 shipped about 4 months ahead of
>MS Office 97 so what would they expect?
You're preaching to the converted, and the latter point was one that I
stressed to management in my mail message this morning.
>I'm not familiar with your customer so I don't know what's going
>on there. If they use TL 2.7 and ODMA, they will be able to open their
>WPSPLUS documents in MS Word 97. TL will first convert the WPSPLUS
>file to Word 6/7, the newest format we can convert to, then give it
>to Word 97 for read-only access. I have no idea what a TDE diagram
>is or whether the Mastersoft converter can handle them.
I am fully aware there is no problem opening WPS+ documents through TL,
and that's one of the reasons I think they should continue to use TL.
I was mostly thinking of the pain of a conversion if they move to
something else and scrap TL.
A TDE diagram is a Two-dimensional editor diagram - it's something in
WPS+, and Mastersoft converters (or any others for that matter) don't
do a marvellous job of converting them - especially since I know these
users will expect prfect conversions every since time.
>Exchange isn't much of a document management system. Domino isn't
>a mail system, it's a Web server over Lotus Notes. It depends what
>they're requirements are. TeamLinks combined with ALL-IN-1 servers
>and the new ALL-IN-1 Web Interface provide e-mail, good document
>management, and nice Web publishing of documents in the file cabinet.
>Plus they don't have to move or convert any of their existing
>documents, nor deal with data replication.
Like I said, you're preaching to the converted.
Anyway, thanks for your reply - sorry I didn't check the FAQ before
posting my note. Sorry also about it's tone - I was depressed and
annoyed after reading the management mail suggesting it might be
the "final nail in the coffin"
Jenny
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| 1889.5 | | XANADU::cascobay.zko.dec.com::TAMARA::STJEAN | Bob St.Jean | Tue Feb 18 1997 10:18 | 32 |
| Hi Jenny,
RE: .4
> I admit virus checkers have nothing to do with TL - it's an issue with
> Office 97. As for users not running a macro, that assumes users are
> cluey enough to understand what a macro is, and I don't thing my users
> are that clever (:-)).
I don't know if MS Office 97 can be setup to never allow a user to
run a macro. I agree that if a user doesn't know how to answer
a complicated question, and this dialog is a bit complicated, then
user mistakes are very possible. It's a MS issue.
> But doesn't TL automatically run macros to load the integration?
The Simple MAPI (mail) and ODMA (file cabinet) integrations in MS
Office 97 do not use macros or VBA add-ins. They make direct calls
to MAPI and ODMA from inside the application. This new type of
integration is very different from the old macro/add-in approach
we were forced to use in the past.
> Sorry also about it's tone - I was depressed and
> annoyed after reading the management mail suggesting it might be
> the "final nail in the coffin"
You're not alone in your frustration! It's hard working in this
environment. The company doesn't throw its full support behind
it's own products, causing everyone's jobs to be more difficult.
The customers are confused.
Bob
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