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Title:SAILING
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Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
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2196.0. "Sail Expo '95" by MARX::CARTER () Mon Feb 06 1995 12:54

    A few of us went to Sail Expo in Atlantic City over the weekend.  I
    went mostly for the seminars, but did go aboard some of the boats.
    
    We left the Worcester, Ma. area on Friday afternoon about 1330hrs and made 
    spectacular time getting to A.C..  We stopped for food and fuel in N.J.
    and were in Atlantic City by 1930hrs.  Other than a minor frustration
    with the number of toll boths on the Garden State Parkway, we had a
    decent ride for 350 miles.  We beat the snow event on the way down, and 
    when the storm did start; in A.C. the precip was mostly rain.
    
    We had signed up for two day passes, Sat and Sun, using the American
    Women's Sailing Association as the ticket agent, which also got the
    distaff side of the couples some tote bags and other stuff, in addition
    to getting all of us reserved seating for some of the seminars on
    Sunday.  I chose to go the first weekend in spite of the expected large
    crowds, because the womens sailing association which got us our tickets was
    sponsoring a bunch of seminars and events geared to helping women get more 
    involved and more comfortable in cruising only these two days.
    
    The bad weather or something kept the crowds on Saturday to nil.  It
    was almost like a private showing for us.
    
    Ocean Navigator presented two of the seminars which I attended, Intro
    to RADAR, and Intro to Weather.  These were the two most informative,
    well presented seminars I remember having attended on any subject.  One
    of the other folks in our group attended an Intro to Celestial Nav
    seminar, also presented by Ocean navigator, and she gave the seminar
    and the presenter highest praise.  The other seminars i attended were
    also well done, just not as great as the O.N. presentations.  My
    biggest complaint, which is also the complaint of one of the other
    folks in our group, is the length of the seminars is too short, in
    most cases to allow enough time for the presenter to get into much
    detail.
    
    We found A.C. to be a depressing place, in addition to being a long
    drive.  This is the first boat show I've attended in many years, since
    I normally find them to be a waste of time.  One visit to Atlantic City
    in my life time is plenty.
    
    It was strange to be in a boat show and have no power boats.  Most of
    the shows I've attended or seen write-ups of, are predominately power,
    with a relatively small amount of sail.  Even knowing it is "Sail Expo"
    the lack of power boats felt odd.  Welcome, but odd.  
    
    Virtually all of the boats were completely rigged with mast, boom, and
    sails, possible because of the size of the A.C. Conventions Center.  One of
    the 1992 A-cubed boats, Defiant(?) was there, without its keel, mast or 
    boom, but with the mainsail hoisted to the rafters and sheeted on deck.  
    Amazing how big those suckers look.
    
    Forespar had an interesting item on display.  It is a one piece
    composite mast, boom, and jib boom which is intended to be used
    instead of the mast, shrouds, stays, winches, genoa tracks, et al,
    normally used to rig and control sails on a boat.  The whole thing is
    controlled by only a two part mainsheet, and is meant to be totally
    self-tending.  The mast is stepped further forward than you'd normally
    expect, and the jib is consequently smaller than the norm, sort of the
    size of a Freedom's jib maybe.  Because the jib and the main are on the
    same pivoting structure, the force on one counteracts the force on the
    other, making uncontrolled gybes non-stressful.  There are forty of
    these units on the water now, on boats ranging from 20 to 85 feet. 
    Forespar expects to have a hundred afloat by year's end.
    
    Lots of good value on gear.  All in all, not a bad way to spend a
    weekend.
    
    djc 
    the boats were
                                 
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2196.1MCS873::KALINOWSKIMon Feb 13 1995 14:59115
    
       I went down last week to get some video for the upcoming confab and
    to get some "answers". A.C. is different from all other boat shows.
    
    First and foremost it is a manufacturers show. No brokers trying to
    push old boats. Just new boats who may have been staffed by brokers and
    mfg reps.
    
    ALL the equipment vendors are there. What a great place to ask hard
    questions. I went down with two sets of questions. 1 was concerning
    the rigging of a backstay for my boat, the other, a Speedo for my
    sailboat.
    
    With the backstay, I spent 15 minutes with an engineer from Johnson
    rigging showing me exactly how to set up the gear. The tricks he showed
    me I never would have figured out with all my books and catalogs. Sure
    saved me from developing a hack job.
    
    With the speedo, I spent 15 minutes with both Standard and SR Marine
    reps. Really good to bounce questions off. The fact they were 10 feet
    apart made it easy to do. In the end, they both had a model that did
    exactly what I wanted for the price I was willing to pay, but wait....
    
    The Standard rep said as an aside, "did you get a certificate yet?" . 
    When I asked what he was talking about, he said there were special
    prices for the whole show. All you had to do was have one of the stores
    (West, Boat US, Defender etc) write the certificate up and they would
    honor the price. After thanking him, I walked over the West Marine
    booth and asked for the show price on the item I wanted. The guy pulls
    out a black book, looks up the price and says " 90 dollars including
    transducer". Well, this brand new puppy with a $200 list and $118 
    discount price was just cut almost $30 extra because of this little
    tidbit of info. So I had him write me up a purchase order for it. I
    just need to bring this to the local store now. Pays for my gas.
    
    Other things that were neat that Dave didn't mention:
    
    The sailing pool had 2 of those new Pearson designed sailboats for beginners
    that were in Sail magazine in Nov or Dec. Looked easy to drive.
    
    The Radio Controled sailboats featured in Sailing World in January were
    being sold right off the shelf.
    
    All the Charter companies were showing off.
    
    The Kirie sail boats (ie Feeling series) draw 2.5-3.5 feet on 35-41
    foot lengths. The boats are overbuilt for racing. The neatest thing was
    the retractable centerboard was run from a sheet in the cockpit, to
    make singlehanding even easier. 
    
    There was a virtual reality setup from Cutty Sark where you drive a 
    schooner and use a .38 to shoot up pirates in zodiacs and airplanes
    from attacking. Drinking whiskey, sailing a boat and shooting power
    boaters. Sure sounds like reality to me..  ;>)
    
    Speaking of software, there were several mapping systems on display.
    Harken also had a online database with numbers for hundreds of boats,
    along with suggestions on how to upgrade the hardware. In most cases
    there would be 2-3 different configurations for any boat and problem.
    Once selected, a laser printer would crank out the specifics and price.
    
    There was a 3-D America's cup game that had really great graphics and
    if you have a sound card, the water spashing against the hull changes
    with the speed. It is a new company out of Clinton Ct. the programmer
    is an ex Air Force guy who wrote the flight simulator for the F-117
    Steath fighter before striking out on his own. I got a copy, but haven't 
    had chance to install it yet. 
    
    D&R Marine was selling Garhauler upwind traveler carts on delrin
    bearings for $130 with track included. This is about 1/2 to 1/3 the
    price of a Harken setup. Air blocks were around $30.
    
    Some Company was selling dock lines made from braid that floated. I forget
    whether it was the covering or core that floated.
    
    US Sailing had a huge booth set up.
    
    As for Boats
    
    Benneteau had the new 28, 310, 35, and a 40 there
    
    Sabre had a 365 and a 425
    
    Catalina had a bunch from their 22MkII to a 36 or 40 footer
    
    Hunter had a bunch or their boats there.
    
    J-Boats had a bunch from j-22/j24 up to the J-130s
    
    The Maine Cat featured in Sail magazine last fall was there. Butt ugly!
    
    Megles had 3 Megles 24s there.
    
    Corsair had a 24 and a aft cabin 31.
    
    There was a Mumm 36
    
    Tartan had a 3500, 3700 and one other one.
    
    Every type of dingy/scow/one-design was there.
    
    There was little windsurfing equipment, but there was a windsurfer with
    an outrigger for learning. Not to be confused with the double
    windsurfer trainer.
    
    All in all, well worth the $12 to get in.  This year seemed to fill the
    hall, so there was more of everything there. Even being a Friday, there
    were no lines anywhere. The most  people I saw in a boat at a time was
    3. This is not like the local shows where it is hot, stuffy, and the
    half the folks came because they thought that weekend was suppose to be
    the hunting and camping show.
    
    Video highlights at the confab
    
       john
2196.2Harken Sailboat hardware DatabaseMCS873::KALINOWSKITue Feb 21 1995 14:4533
    While at West Marine (Peabody Ma)today, I noticed they have the harken
    PC in there (see note above). 
    
    If any of you get a chance, please get a copy of your numbers. You look up 
    your boat and can either print a configuration of a rigging system
    you would like to design, or you can get a printout of your boat.
    
    The boat will have length, beam, I, J, P, P2 etc etc. It will have
    sq ft of each sail for the standard sizes.
    
    It will then have listings for lbs of presure for a 100, 135 and 150
    headsails.
    
    All will have low, med and high wind ranges for what the sails are used
    in. Same goes for the main.
    
    Then there is a section on loads of halyards, mainsheet, genoa cars,
    vangs etc. This tells you exactly what size blocks you should be using.
    
    Not sure of spinakkers, since mine doesn't have one, but I would image
    that may show up too. There was a custom feature where you could 
    put in your own parameters (ie a taller rig, a 141 % headsail etc). I 
    would imagine it would calcuate these for you.
    
    This is a great piece of paper to keep with you blueprints and racing
    certificates. Come upgrade time, you have everything you need to size
    loads (ie halyards, stoppers, backing plates, blocks etc).
    
    It should be for free. Nice database...
    
       Regards
    
        john