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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

2033.0. "Whisker Pole Advice" by TRACTR::BLAISDELL () Mon May 24 1993 11:53

    I plan to buy a whisker pole but I'm completely confused by the range
    of advice I'm getting. The whisker pole will be used on a 27 ft boat,
    with a J of 10.75 ft and a 130% roller-furled genoa. I will not use the
    pole in heavy air.

    Catalog recommendations for different Forespar poles are:

    					    med/heavy air  light/med air
    					      boats to       boats to
    					    jib    genoa   jib    genoa

    10'-18' ft line control latch/piston    33'    28'     30'    28'
    8'-14' ft line control latch/latch      28'    22'     30'    28'
    6'-12' ft twist lock latch/latch        16'            22'       
    7'-17' ft twist lock latch/latch        25'    22'     28'    25'

    Recommendations for lock-button and similar sized line-control models
    are identical, prices are not. One of my questions is how much is
    line-control worth?

    I've been told a few times by individuals and local chandleries that 
    these recommendations are overly conservative and that I can do with 
    less. I even had one store recommend the 6'-12' foot model.

    I would appreciate advice from other noters on how to choose or what
    they use in a similar situation.

    Thx, Bob

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2033.1some answersMASTR::BERENSAlan BerensWed Jun 02 1993 11:2057
No doubt Forespar's recommendations ARE very conservative. It is not in
their interest or yours to have a spinnaker or whisker pole fail. While
you may not intend to sail in strong winds, squalls, gusts, wind shifts,
and the like do happen. 

The safe load on a long, slender column (eg, a whisker pole) is 
proportional to 

	1/(L/d)**2

where L is the pole length and d is the pole diameter. 

As an example, a Forespar LC13-24 line control whisker pole has a minimum
length of 161" and a maximum length of 271". The tubing diameters are
3.5" and 3.0". At maximum length the safe load is only about 35% of the
safe load at minimum length (assuming a constant 3.5" tubing diameter). 

Decreasing tubing diameter makes a large difference. My 15' spinnaker 
pole is 3.5" in diameter. The same length pole with 3.0" diameter tubing 
would only be about 73% as strong. 

Keep in mind, too, that the wind force on a sail is proportional to 

	A*(V**2)

where A is the sail area and V the wind speed. In a wind gust, the wind 
speed typically is 40% higher than the average wind speed. That is, in a 
gust, the wind force doubles. At a guess, the load on the pole will 
double also. 

So, it would appear that pole failure is most likely if you are using an 
adjustable length whisker pole at or near maximum length with a genoa and a 
strong wind gust occurs. 

Failure could be shearing the inboard pole fitting off the mast or the 
pole could buckle, both abrupt failures with no warning. If you happen 
to be at the mast at the time, the result could be disastrous to you. 

Assuming you use a pole length equal to 10.75*1.3 = 14', it appears that 
the Forespar 8'-14' pole (2" tubing diameter) would be about 64% as 
strong as the 10'-18' pole (2.5" tubing diameter). At a length of 18' 
the 10'-18' pole has about the same safe working load as the 8'-14' pole 
at a length of 14'. 

I'm not sure that any of this really helps choose a pole, and I have no 
idea what the margin of safety is. What it does indicate to me is that a 
small diameter pole is likely too weak to be safe, especially given the 
possible consequences of a failure.

Anyway, we opted to buy a fixed length spinnaker pole with a bayonet
inboard fitting (outrageously expensive but very strong) rather than an
adjustable length whisker pole. But, this was before Forespar developed 
their line control poles. Today, I might buy a line control pole, but 
then again I might not. Our 15' pole is hard enough to handle as it is. 
Any additional weight would not be nice.

Alan
2033.2Whisker polesTOLKIN::HILLMon Jun 07 1993 10:3012
    I have a line control pole, and it works very well. I like the ability
    to adjust the length when sailing, then shorten it before I take it off
    the sail.
    
    
    Alan, I mounted my pole on a track on the front of the mast. No
    lifting, better control, less foredeck dancing. The pole is rigged with
    a topping lift and continuous downhaul, uphaul. To set the pole I just
    release the bottom and pull the inboard end down. The best rig I have
    seen was on Grant Saviers boat. (Oyster 42). Two downwind poles on
    either side of the mast. Flying a spinnaker, we put out both poles, and
    tacking was  ho hum, just adjust the new guy.    
2033.3good method, though the gear is expensiveMASTR::BERENSAlan BerensMon Jun 07 1993 11:0214
re .2:

Ah, great minds thinking alike ..... I've rigged our spinnaker pole just 
as you have, and this arrangement does work well for the most part. 
Nonetheless, it can be a little problematic if conditions are at all 
rough. I find handling the pole and the uphaul/downhaul requires two 
hands as the outer end wants to bash into the liferaft and dorade vents 
on our boat as the inboard end goes up the mast. 

Were we to get a second pole, I'd get a shorter, lighter pole for using 
in running downwind with the staysail and reefed main in heavy winds. We 
were in one gale when this would have been really nice.

Alan