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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

2007.0. "Sabre 28 genoa track position" by MPGS::PARE () Tue Mar 09 1993 11:47

    I have a 72 Sabre 28 (Type 1) and I'm in the process of shopping for
    a working jib (90%-100%). One of the sailmakers I have been speaking to
    has suggested that I will need inboard genoa tracks in order to
    properly trim the new sail. I am in complete agreement with him since I
    know that I have a problem pointing with my present genoas. The problem
    that I have is that my Sabre manual does not specify exactly, the
    athwartships positions of the tracks. It specifies a 4' track with a
    specific distance from the transom corner to the end of the track, for
    my vintage boat. It also specifies a longer track (6' or 8' ??) for
    newer Sabre 28s, with the same transom corner reference. Is there anyone
    out there that has a Sabre 28 with inboard tracks that can give me
    dimensions from their boat? What I need specifically is the track
    length, the distance from the transom corner, and most importantly, the
    side to side dimensions of the track ends. e.g. The forward end of the
    track is xx inches in from the center of the toerail and the aft end of
    the track is yy inches in from the center of the toerail. Also, is the
    track mounted in a curve or in a straight line?
    	Before I drill holes in my decks, I want to make sure that I'm
    mounting the hardware in an optimal position that does not cause the
    sheets to get fouled in the standing rigging.
    
    	Thanks,
    	John
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2007.1Time to get out the protractor and graph paperSTAR::KENNEYTue Mar 09 1993 13:3113
    	Find out the sheeting angle for the jib and draw that out on a
    piece of paper.  I would draw a rough outline of the deck edge, and
    cabin top also.   The sail maker should be able to tell you what
    sheeting angle the sail was cut for.  If he cannot tell you then find
    another sail maker.   You need to have enough adjustment in the track so
    that you can adjust the angle around to adjust the twist in the sail
    for power or to depower it.


    Forrest
    Ps.		A recent sailing world had a discussion on optimizing the
    	layout hardware on the deck.
2007.2Ask the Experts!MRKTNG::WALKER_KKen Walker @TTBTue Mar 09 1993 18:568
    Give Sabre a call. I've ALWAYS found their customer service department
    to be more than helpful. I called to ask about a construction detail on
    the Sabre 30 and they sent me a couple of polaroids of the area is
    question. I'm sure they'll be glad to send you the specifications
    and/or drawings. They still have the jigs for the '28!
    
    I don't have their number handy but they're located in South Casco
    Maine, area code 207 - information has their number,
2007.3Inboard TracksMPGS::PARETue Mar 09 1993 20:2713
    re 0.1 The one sailmaker that has given me a sheeting angle, has also
    told me exactly how many inches abaft the chainplates I will need to
    set my fairlead. My biggest dilema is how far from the cabin top to
    mount the track. I would also like to be able to use the inboard track
    to sheet the 115% genoa that I now have, if possible. As I said in 0.0,
    the boat has a problem pointing with the present toerail positioned
    fairleads. That means that the track will need to extend aft, far
    enough, to accomodate that larger jib also.
    
    re 0.2 I have also had positive experience dealing with Sabre customer
    service. I think that I will give them a call.
    
    John
2007.4DNEAST::POMERLEAU_BOWed Mar 10 1993 10:331
    Saber Yachts	(207) 655-3831
2007.5ResolutionMPGS::PAREThu Mar 11 1993 16:366
    re .4 I called Sabre Yachts today and received a FAX a short time
    later. The FAX contains an installation procedure with drawings and
    all of the dimensions that I will need to do the job right.
    "Ask and you shall receive".
    
    John
2007.6Sabre SupportWR2FOR::BOLTONJAFri Mar 12 1993 16:299
    I would also strongly encourage you to call Sabre. They have a Customer
    Service Rep named Mike Plourde who is outstanding! Sabre is not very
    well know out here in California, so there aren't many around. Without
    any local owners to compare notes with, I've often called Sabre when I
    need information like you are seeking. Mike Plourde has always been 
    willing to research answers to questions that he doesn't himself.
    
    Jim
    
2007.7Make sure the sails fit rightSTAR::KENNEYFri Mar 12 1993 16:539
    
    	Please make sure that the sail maker is aware of where the track
    being relocated too.  If he cut the sail based on the old one you will
    not be happy.  Getting sails that fit your boat well requires detailed
    knowledge about how your boat is rigged, and how you sail.  A sail cut
    for a 15 degree sheeting angle that is used at 11 degree angle is going
    work awful.
    
    Forrest