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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

1936.0. "Danielle Toll" by GRANMA::HAJOHNSON () Mon Sep 28 1992 09:24

    Today's Washington Post tells the grim story of four men returning to
    the Chesapeake from Martha's Vineyard on a 35' ketch.  They headed into
    Danielle, evidently believing they could weather this tropical
    depression.
    
    After loosing the missen, and slogging along, they tried to motor and
    the engine failed to start.  Perhaps out of desparation, the boat was
    headed westward (leeshore with 60 knots) and grounded near Sea Side, NJ.
    
    Two of the crew were lost trying to reach shore.  
    
    Why anyone would deliberately venture into such a storm is a mystery. 
    Once commited, an eastery course would make more sense to avoid the
    leeshore and to move away from the NNW storm movement.  Better yet,
    listen to the weather and stay put until the storm passes.
    
    Hank JOhnson
    Second Love
    
    
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1936.1StormsSALEM::GILMANMon Sep 28 1992 10:1310
    Some of the serious ocean sailers might view a less than a hurricane
    type storm as an opportunity to cut their teeth on.  If you sail enough
    on open water eventually a storm is going to catch you and you had 
    better know how to handle it.  I agree that is different than running
    into a storm ON PURPOSE.  But, as I said some would view it as a
    challenge.  It certainly turned out to be one for them, too bad lives
    were lost.  It would be interesting to hear more detail on their
    thinking and how they decided to keep on into the storm.
    
    Jeff
1936.2OverconfidenceGRANMA::HAJOHNSONTue Sep 29 1992 22:2030
    Today's paper had a folowup article.
    
    The Katsura was a 1963 Hinkley Pilot Yawl.  The beaching put a 3 by 7
    hole in the hull and the vessel was declared a total loss.  Barry
    Hinkley expressed surprise at the damage to this "unbelievably rugged
    boat".
    
    Both surviors remained with the boat after the grounding and basically
    stepped ashore.  The lost members were evidently washed over when the
    boat was still 50-100 yards off in 10 foot breaking seas.  
    
    The loss of the mizzen also took out the loran, so the last few hours
    of position was by DR alone.  They were 75 miles from their DR track
    when they grounded.  The place of grounding is uninhabited and
    speculation is that the lack of lights added to the illusion of being
    off shore.  The depth sounder was operatinal, but evidently was not
    noticed until just prior to grounding when it was in the teens.  
    
    The crew knew the weather and concluded it was safe.  Barry Hinkley
    agreed the weather was "nothing to worry about in a boat like that." 
    All the crew had offshore experience.
    
    Minutes before the grounding, the crew talked with the Coast Guard at
    Barnegat and stated they did not know exactly when they were but were
    in no immediate danger.
    
    From this account it would appear that overconfidence and the resulting
    inattention were major contributors to this tragedy.  
    
    
1936.3Night?SALEM::GILMANWed Sep 30 1992 12:4415
    It amazes me that after losing the mast and the engine and getting
    driven near a lee shore that they didn't know they were facing a
    serious situation.  If they could SEE the land they grounded on 
    they 'must' have known they were getting driven ashore.  The
    increased wave steepness which must have occured as they approached
    shallow water should have been a tip off too.
    
    Did the grounding occur at NIGHT!  If so it all makes alot more 
    sense.
    
    I know, hindsite is cheap, I wasn't there either.  By attempting
    to understand their frame of mind and the conditions it reduces
    the possiblity I will wind up in a similiar situation.
    
    Jeff
1936.4Fog?JUPITR::KEENANWed Sep 30 1992 14:466
    Sea Side New Jersey is a heavily populated coastline. There are a few
    miles of beach leading up to Barnegat light that's a state park. But
    lights on each end of the park and Barnegat light (a giant) can be seen
    offshore.
    
    Visibility must have been very limited.
1936.5CFSCTC::SBOATS::GERMAINHe's the Iceman - a Hunter!Thu Oct 01 1992 09:371
    People's minds can freeze when presented with a "new" situation.