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1922.1 | lake scow characteristics | TARKIN::MCALLEN | | Tue Sep 01 1992 21:05 | 33 |
| Sailing scows comprise some of the fastest monohull
sailboat classes, clocked up to maybe 23 knots. The
scow classes are most popular on the inland lakes of
the northern midwest (Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan).
The inland lake class sailing scow (D-type 18',
C-type 20', E-type 28', A-type 38' ?) is a wide,
flatbottomed monohull racing boat optimized to
heel at about 20 degress. At this angle, the
area of hull contacting the water is minimized.
Most scow designs have twin rudders on inboard shafts, small
and mounted at a 20 degree angle. They have twin retractable
steel centerboards, called bilgeboards, also at 20 degrees
from vertical. Larger scows (C-class and longer) have running
backstays. The backstays and bilgeboards are generally adjusted
at each tack. When heeling, the crew can "hike out" (ie stand)
upon the partially withdrawn windward bilgeboard, while grasping
a handrail.
The scow hull is fully planing: wide, with flat bottom,
fully rounded bilges. The bow is rounded but blunt. For
its length and beam, a lake scow is quite thin from deck
to bottom, neglecting the mast and deep bilgeboards.
Due to hull shape, scows are unsuitable for waves higher
than a foot or so. Scows provide ample seating on the
slightly rounded deck, around the edge of the large
cockpit. Forward of the cockpit, the interior of the
scow hull is reinforced by various struts and tensioning
wires, so it resembles the inside of an airplane wing.
The racing scow has no cabin or accessible interior
spaces, except for gear stowage.
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1922.2 | | DEMOAX::GINGER | Ron Ginger | Tue Sep 01 1992 22:09 | 5 |
| About a week ago Gary Couture posted a note asking for info on a boat
which sounded like a scow. I think it was a K. anyone know if a K was
a scow, and any details?
Why were teh scows given such original class names, C, E, A???
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1922.3 | bring that scow to heel ! | TARKIN::MCALLEN | | Wed Sep 02 1992 11:26 | 16 |
| Yes, I think there are K and M scows also. I suspect
they are shorter than 20', have a conventional (single
outboard) rudder, and likely a single daggerboard or
centerboard. By the way, most scows nowadays are marconi,
but I've seen some old gaff-rigged C- or D-scow sloops.
And (hint) please notice that I've entered a "partner
wanted for E-scow" ad in 4.389 .
I suspect that many of the folks who would have sailed
inland class lake scows in 1930-1960's era are nowadays
the inland catamaran sailors/racers. The inveterate
freshwater speed-freaks of olden days had to be nimble
on foot (on bilgeboard) to keep their scows at desired
angle of heel.
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1922.4 | Fun with a C-Scow | SIMP1::Giese | | Tue Sep 08 1992 14:07 | 7 |
| I've had great fun crewing on a C-Scow in Minneapolis (where the lakes are
right in the city). You get a great workout for your abs! On a close-haul
you must hike out - otherwise be prepared to hang off the bilgeboard as you
try to right the boat. They are fast. Although the boat I crewed didn't
even come close to winning most of the time, it was still a blast zipping
around the markers. Too bad these aren't very practical boats for Boston
Harbor!
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1922.5 | M scow | UFP::LARUE | Jeff LaRue: U.S. Network Resource Center | Fri Sep 11 1992 14:05 | 10 |
| ...I can speak for the M scow, having sailed one for _years_.....
These are literally 16 foot versions of the larger E scow......2
daggerboards, 2 rudders with conventional sail plan (main/jib, no
spinnaker).
We see alot of them in the Barnegat Bay area of N.J.
-Jeff
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1922.6 | seeking M-scow mast & sails | TARKIN::MCALLEN | | Tue Oct 13 1992 13:39 | 11 |
| I've just purchased a used M-scow, and have deleted the
earlier request for an E-scow partner (4.389).
Now I'm seeking mast, sails (M,J,S) and stays for my 1980
"One Design Marine Inc., Tom's River NJ" (but Tanzer built)
M-scow. I have a boom and spinnaker-pole. I'm in touch with
sailboat dealers in the Barnegat Bay area, but if someone
stumbles across an M-scow mast, sails or stays, on the market in
northeast USA, please MAIL me. Also anyone knowing measurements
or dimensions of these for an M-scow, again please contact me.
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1922.7 | A-scow at M.o.Y. in Newport RI | TARKIN::MCALLEN | | Tue Oct 13 1992 13:45 | 5 |
| For those intersted in seeing a large racing scow,
there's a Class A (38') inland class lake scow on
static display at the Museum of Yachting at Fort Adams
Park in Newport Rhode Island.
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1922.8 | A possible source | STAR::KENNEY | | Tue Oct 13 1992 14:25 | 6 |
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A person to try is Eric Wilson at Doyle sails Marblehead Ma. I
know that at one time he was really into Scows. He is a really nice
guy and may be able to help out.
Forrest
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1922.9 | know any knot-entities? | TARKIN::MCALLEN | | Wed Oct 14 1992 16:45 | 15 |
| Thanks for the good advice in 1922.8 :
I contacted Eric Wilson, now running a Doyle Sail shop
in Hartland Wisc., near Milwaukee. He was very helpful.
Eric specializes in sails for scows, One Designs, and
for DN etc iceboats.
fyi -
Eric's phone # is 414-369-0120
The 1992 E-scow Nationals site was Minnetonka Minn.
The 1993 E-scow Nationals will be in Sept at Hammondsport, New York.
As an aside, did anyone ever meet "Mr. Knot", the humorous
knot-expert from Bobby Doyle's PBS-TV Sailing show?
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1922.10 | Glad Eric could help..... | STAR::KENNEY | | Wed Oct 14 1992 17:08 | 11 |
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Had not spoken with him for about 6 months and had not heard he had
moved back to Mid-west so to speak. Eric is Mr Finn and builds Finn
sails for many top Finn sailers. I met him a couple years back at a
small Finn regatta in Marblehead. I ended up helping him run the race
he had never done the comedy boat job before. He ran the race threw a
party after the first day, and then staid up most of the night
recutting sails for some of the racers.
Forrest
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