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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

1921.0. "price differences?" by AHIKER::EARLY (Bob Early, Digital Services) Fri Aug 28 1992 11:18

In reviewing many notes; it seems one note is missing (ie never created
or entered).

I am curious about the relative cost of sailboats in the range of
for various areas of the country, principally in the daysailer 
category (15 - 19 foot).

For example, if a ice 17 foot planing daysailer can be had for
around $2600 in New England; then how much would a similar boat
cost .. ah .. lets say around Chicago or Milwaukee ??

Are costs for various parts of the USA fairly constant, or more
dependent on the exact geography. For now, lets forget the 'slightly'
or somewhat damaged' boats following catastrophic disaster.

A close friend of mine is planning to take a job in the Chicago
area, and has the option of either purchasing the boat in New England,
(no cost to them to move a smaller boat), or wait and purchase one in the
midwest area (Chicago, Lake Michigan, etc).

/Bob
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1921.1Great Lakes slightly higher than New EnglandWBC::RODENHISERSat Aug 29 1992 16:1520
    I had typed in the complete chart of relative boat prices in the US
    from the BUC book when I noticed the following statement posted on the
    back cover:
    
    "Reward to anyone identifying persons, firms or agencies who have in the
    past or are currently excerpting, and incorporating any parts of this
    copyrighted work into any electronic retrieval or computer system
    without written permission from BUC Research."
    
    I suspect that they are really trying to prevent someone from building
    (and selling) a database service, and not our friendly noting
    conversations. However, just to be on the safe side, I'll simply answer
    the question.
    
    Boat prices in the Great Lakes region (all categories and lengths) tend
    to be about %5 higher than New England.
    
    Contact me for details.
    
    JR
1921.2Changes in the market???DPDMAI::CLEVELANDGrounded on The RockMon Jan 11 1993 14:3015
    I've been contacted by a broker friend of mine who is interested in
    having me put my boat on the market. He said that soooo many boats were
    wiped out in the Hurricanes this year that the used boat market has
    really picked up and I should be able to sell my boat for a tidy
    profit.
    
    Has the used boat market increased dramatically lately? Any idea what a
    1981 Alden 36 would list for in todays climate? I must admit, with the
    way things are right now, getting out of debt has a certain allure, but
    it would have to be a big allure, a.k.a. real nice profit, to convince
    me to part with my "baby". Anyone have any thoughts on this or know
    what my boat would would list for?
    
    Regards,
    Robert
1921.3probably notUNIFIX::BERENSAlan BerensMon Jan 11 1993 15:1925
re .2:

Hmmmmm. I read somewhere (Practical Sailor, perhaps) that someone in the
marine business estimates that very few boats (on the order of 10%
maybe) severely damaged in the recent hurricanes will be repaired. If
so, this might contribute to localized improvements in the used boat
market in the areas most affected by the hurricanes. I find it a little
hard to believe that enough boats have been destroyed to significantly
improve the general, overall brokerage market. 

As to making a profit ...... Is your broker friend will to accept no 
commission? After subtracting the usual 10% commission from the sale 
price and taking into account the survey you paid for when you bought
the boat, loan interest, dockage/moorage, taxes, repairs, improvements,
winter storage, etc, I'd be surprised if you can make a real profit. True,
boats are selling. A friend of mine recently sold a Bristol 35.5 he'd
owned for two years and had had on the market only a short time.
Unfortunately, the sale price (before commission) was $1000 less than
he'd paid for the boat. Not even close to a profit here. Probably the 
only way to make a profit is to invest the sale proceeds in a good 
mutual fund (or some such) and wait. This ain't as much fun as sailing, 
however. As the joke goes, the fastest way to make a million dollars in 
boats is to start with two million.

Alan
1921.4Many wiped out at Coconut Grove, S.FloridaRDGENG::BEVANMon Jan 25 1993 09:5111
I was in S.Florida early Jan'93 and I went down Diner Cay at Coconut Grove. 
The broker there told me that 1400 boats were seroiusly damaged or beyond 
repair. Over 3/4 of the slips were still out of use due to the storm damage.

Consequently he had very little left on his books. He very patiently 
went through the BUC listings, that only turned up a couple of possibles 
(Coconut Grove to West Palm Beach). So the choice is very limited at the 
moment in the Used market. That might help push up the local price in S.Florida.
I doubt it will affect the north.   

Steve