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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

1902.0. "Radio/Prop problems" by OTOOA::MOWBRAY (This isn't a job its an Adventure) Mon Aug 03 1992 09:47

    If you use the definition that a successful cruise is one where the
    same number of people return as set out, (with or without the boat)
    then this year's cruise was quite successful.  If you use a definition
    that incorporates VHF radio's or propellor shafts then my trip was not
    quite such a success.
    
    In the 60's and early 70's Newfoundland embarked on a program called
    "Resettlment" where members of smaller communities along the coast were
    moved to larger centres.  On our trip we went to a number of these
    abandoned communities which were beautiful.  There are a number of
    houses still standing and in one community, the Church overlooks the
    harbour still.
    
    This has got to be some of the most beautiful cruising grounds
    anywhere!  We sailed with whales and a huge variety of seabirds
    (actually passing by a Bird Sanctuary) including Puffins.  Seals and
    porpoises abound as well.  There were a few Icebergs around and so we
    were able to keep the cooler stocked with ice which was great.
    
    Anyway, the sad part was that my radio went on the fritz and my
    propellor shaft sheared off at the engine coupling.  I would appreciate
    any help/suggestions on these things as I need to effect repairs.  
    
    Prior to the trip I had found that the radio antenna coupling had come
    undone .... I guess that the motion of the boat had just caused it to
    go.  I fixed it at the time but now I suspect that I had been
    transmitting out to no antenna for some time.  The radio now seems to
    act intermittently, especially if I use 25 watts.  Do I have a chance
    at repairing the radio ?
    
    The more interesting problem was that my prop shaft sheared just at the
    engine coupling.  The shaft slid back to the stuffing box, fortunately
    it did not go all the way out as it landed against the rudder skeg but
    from the way that it was freewheeling, I cannot believe that there was
    a rope or anything around it.  The engine was simply idling at the
    time.  My guess is that it was to do with metal fatigue from a poor
    alignment but it seems to me that for a 1 inch stainless shaft it would
    take a lot of fatigue.  THe shear was surprisingly clean, almost as if
    someone just cut through with a saw.
    
    Has anyone experienced the same type of problem ? What caused it ? 
    better still, what prevents it ?
    
    
    Thanks Graham
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1902.1Can be repaired get estimate firstSTAR::KENNEYMon Aug 03 1992 11:338
    	The radio can be repaired more, than likely the amplifier stage is
    damaged from feeding either a short or open line.  The problem is that
    is could easily cost as much to repair as the radio as it would to
    replace it.  In the U.S. the repair has to be done by an government
    approved technician (approval may not be related to skill).  Knowing
    that making an assumption is dangerous I would expect the same to be
    true in Canada.
1902.2new radios are Cheap!MR4DEC::DCADMUShappiness is a bigger boatMon Aug 03 1992 11:4823
    
    BOAT/US did a report on Marine VHF radios last year, and it was prety
    conclusive that the inexpesive radios have all the functionality of the
    higher priced radios. You can get a pretty decent VHF with "no frills"
    for about $150 here in the US (at discount stores or through catalogs).
    
     I agree with the previous note that what is wrong is in the final
    amplifier stage. Most probably you fried the output transistor (very 
    typical in transmitting without a load).
    
      Marine electronics have dropped dramatically inprice over the last
    few years- If the radio is over 5 yrs old, I would be tempted to simply
    replace it (unlkess you have a freind who is liscenced and can make the
    repair).
    
     If it is the final output stage ( I would bet on it), all it usaully
    is is soldering in a single transistor and checking the frequencies- a
    quick job. If it is not that, I would scrap it and buy a new radio,
    probbaly at only little more than the repairs would cost.
    
    
     Dick
    
1902.3One more possibilityWRKSYS::NELSENMon Aug 03 1992 15:5424
    One last possibility before you purchase a new radio:  it may be that
    there is a short in the combination of the coax line or the connector. 
    This is the most unreliable part of these systems.  The amplifiers have 
    reflected power detectors in them that will power down the stage if
    there is a short present.  This ought to function properly for
    short-duration transmissions, and even for long transmissions.  So it
    is possible that with the short your amplifier stage may still be good.
    
    One way to check this is by seeing if it works with a completely
    different transmission line and antenna.  (Many offshore boats carry
    such a spare antenna.)
    
    A second way is to use a standing wave meter to measure the ratio
    between reflected and forward power.  If you have high reflected power,
    then it is likely that the transmission line is shorted or open. 
    Corrosion in the line can cause intermediately bad situation that would
    allow you to still hear stations, but have too high a SWR (standing
    wave ratio) to transmit.
     
    Marine electronics dealers and many ham radio operators will have one of
    these.  I have one that you could borrow if you could get it back
    within a week or so.  I live in Winchester, and work at MLO.
    
    /Don  (dtn: 223-5956)
1902.4The ShaftDEMOAX::GINGERRon GingerTue Aug 04 1992 09:3734
    On the prop shaft issue- first I assume you are sure it sheared off and
    not simply pulled out of the coupling? Doyou see a small stub sticking
    out of the coupling?
    
    Indeed, such shear could be caused by a misalignment. Stainless does
    have some rather bad work hardening properties, so a minor flex could
    have hardened the shaft enough to cause it to break. A too hard piece
    of steel will break just like glass- makes about the same sound when it
    breaks, and leaves a sharp, clean line.
    
    The solution of course is to properly align the shaft and engine. And
    to check it from time to time to be sure it doesnt shift. ALigning an
    engine is VERY tedious. The basic process is to put the shaft in place,
    slip the coupling up until the two faces are just a few thousands
    apart. You then test, with a feeler gauge, at several points around the
    gap. The trick is to shift the engine side to side or up and down until
    the gap is EXACTLY the same all around. It takes a rather delicate feel
    of the gauge to tell if its to tight in one spot. 
    
    Also note, most couplings have a spigot in the center, which will pull
    the two faces into some alignment, with a slight flex to the shaft. You
    then think you have proper alignemnt, but have a buit in stress- this
    is quite likely what caused the damage in this case.
    
    Lots of book show pictures of the alignment process, but of course they
    ignore the problem that to even SEE the coupling you are likely
    standing on your head, hanging down thru some locker, with oil and
    bilge slime dripping off your nose. Its little wonder few shafts are
    properly aligned.
    
    This could lead into a discussion of using a flex joint of some kind in
    the shaft. This is rarely done, although Im not sure why. It does raise
    some interesting issues of vibration and is generally harder to
    engineer that a rigid joint. Im using a flex joint on my steam boat.
1902.5Shear for sureOTOOA::MOWBRAYThis isn't a job its an AdventureTue Aug 04 1992 09:5211
    I am afraid that it was a shear, not the shaft pulled out.
    
    Your comment about steel being like glass is interesting though, as the
    sheared face does have the look of a piece of broken glass sort of
    clean but if you look closely you can see unevenness.
    
    My guess is that it has to be due to misalignment, perhaps the engine
    settled over time.
    
    I guess that I should start a note now on techniques for sailing in and
    out of moorings ?