Conference unifix::sailing

    
    	I just went through this exercise on the 3rd for a motor that spent
    a night at the bottom of a river.  It took me about 3 hours with
    interruptions and only � the tools really needed.
    
    	I ended up pulling every fuel line and draining them, removing the
    carb and draining the bowl.  I also ended up removing the carb and
    drying out the intake manifold.  I had to tear the fule pump down and
    clean it.  Removed the pulgs and pumped the motor many more times than
    I would have belived necessary.  I sprayed to cylinders and intake
    manifold with fogging oil and turned the motor over many times to work
    oil through.  Drained the gear case oil and replaced it after all this
    and reassembly the motor turned over and ran fine.
    
    	I would guess that you still have water in the fuel system.
    
    Forrest

    Well, I'm further ahead further behind now that I've been to Sears and 
    spent $21 on a hand-held impact tool.  The tool worked great to get the
    Phillips #3 screws out and I took the side covers off and then was
    able to remove the fuel bowl which had lots of sediment in it.
    
    When I used the straight edge screwdriver bit to loosen the clamp
    holding the carb, the straight edge acted just like a chisel and tore 
    off half ofd the screwhead - so much for getting the carb off.  
    
    I removed the valve from the carb and sprayed the carb intake with some
    starting fluid and tried to start the motor - no luck.  I rechecked for
    spark coming out of the sparkplug boot and got zero spark - no jolt.  I
    checked the connection of the magneto wire to the kill switch and found
    it to be very corroded; so I wired the magneto w/o the kill switch in 
    place - still no spark.  When trying to clean the connector above, it 
    broke.
    
    I looked up into the head area from the bottom up toward the pull cord
    and could see that the magneto wire comes from up there somewhere.  I 
    looked at the hex bolts holding the motor together - and went in and
    had a beer!
    
    Oh well, I wonder how much the $50 has gone up by now.  And to think of
    all the "gentlemen" my wife saw this past weekend who so nicely brought
    their women friends to shore as they were "gentlemanly" rowed in the
    dinghy.  One man even turned the dinghy around so that the rear
    pontoons could get up out of the water.  Oh, my aching back!
    
    Any other suggestions :-)
    
    	Ron
    
    ps: thanks, Forrest, for your comments and reference to a moonlighter.
    

    Maybe I have a solution.  You see, my wife and I have this nice green
    tennis ball, and we have this really energetic little (45 lb) puppy
    that we've been teaching to "fetch" ...

    I'll tell you what I'd do since it was salt water. I'd strip the entire
    motor down and wash all the parts in fresh water, distilled if
    possible, including the magneto. I'd wipe dry and air dry in an oven
    at about 150d F for an hour to ensure that all the water had
    evaporated. I'd spray all the metal parts with something like WD-40
    and reassemble. Then run it for at least 1/2 hr in a fresh water test
    barrel. If you don't clean out all the salt you're asking for
    problems later on... 

    re: .4
    
    Actually, I love to do that kind of work - more so than you know what!
    The problem which I have to face is next week's vacation w/o a dinghy
    motor.  We love to cruise different harbors and islands with the dinghy
    and that just won't be possible w/o a motor.  We'll just have to find
    enjoyment other ways for the time being which is kind of exciting
    thinking about all by itself.
    
    I'm serious about liking to get into motors - a fewe months after
    getting both my BAS and MAS in CS in May 1978 (which was several years
    after beginning in s/w at Mitre in 1962), I took a six-year leave of
    s/w and opened an automotive transmission shop which, in its best year,
    grossed $.5M - a rather busy shop with about 8 mechanics.  After a
    serious downturn, it became neccessary to race back to s/w.
    
    	Regards,
    
    	Ron
    

    Your 2.5 is the same motor as a Nissan or Mercury.  I had mine go under
    a couple of years ago and tried all the things suggested here to no
    avail.  I ended up taking it to a repair shop.  It was the magneto.
    It cost me $65.00, but was worth it.  The motor hasn't given me any
    trouble since.  My suggestion, look up any "local" shop that works
    on any of these motors.
    Good luck.
      Joe

    How is it going now with the engine? Got it running yet?  I agree with
    the advice given in prior entries in this string.
    
    To add a bit:
    
    After the engine is dunked in salt water your first priority it limit
    corrosion.  That can be held off by keeping the ENGINE SUBMERGED IN
    FRESH WATER until you or the shop is ready to tear it down.
    
    Sounds as if your original problem was water inthe fuel system.  Then,
    corrosion set in and you now have electrical problems in addition to 
    the original fuel problem.  
    
    Hindsite is cheap, but given what you now know you should have taken it
    to a shop first.  The temptation (I well know from my own experience)
    is to do everything onself, the art of that is recognizing when one 
    has the proper tools and experience to do it oneself without making more
    problems than you had in the first place.  I have learned that one the
    hard way any number of times.  
    
    So, is it running yet?
    
    Jeff

    My wife, God bless her, travelled to the repair shop where I bought the
    motor on Wednesday.  One of the things omitted from her "skill" set is
    being able to get from one place to another easily.  The trip from
    Acton to Milford NH is usually about an hour.  Four and a half hours
    later and after going on an equivalent "march to Atlanta :-)" she
    arrived! [The woman has a heart of gold!]
    
    She left the shop after a few moments and was given a quote of $40 as a
    maximum charge including parts and labor.  She told them to call her
    when they knew what was wrong (specifically wrong) and to not do the
    work if it could not be completed by Friday afternoon.
    
    Yesterday she got a call around noon that the motor had been fixed,
    that the magneto needed to be replaced, that they had grabbed a used
    magneto from another unit, that the points had been defective (I don't
    know if they cleaned, reset them or replaced them), that the motor was
    running just fine and we could pick it up for $67.50.
    
    So off we go later this pm to get the motor on the way to Portland and
    who's to quibble over the difference of $40 to $67.50 if all is good. 
    As I had said to Fred Darrow from whom I "stole" his fiberglass dinghy
    for an unmentionable sum, God must be punishing me for making such a
    rediculously inappropriate offer!  [and to think that Fred even after
    consummating such a "bad" deal has offered to have us meet him at
    Sommes Sound on Mt. Desert Island next week and to share in a barbeque
    and a sail out to Cranberry Island].
    
    BTW, I never did mention how the motor fell into the water.  You see,
    the first time we went to use the new dinghy was last weekend.  It
    rained on Fri night and when we brought the dog to shore to do her
    thing, I got on shore and turned the dinghy on its side to get rid of
    the water - I hadn't realized that the transom was really smooth and
    that I had negected to tighten the motor to it sufficently - kerplop!
    
    Actually, this whole thing - the existence of this notes file, the
    sharing of experiences, the comradery from within, all make for a great
    day many, many times when other things within Digital have such great
    pulls in other directions.
    
    In other words, thanks for asking!
    
    	Regards,
    
    	Ron
    
    ps: no doubt but we'll have some more tales to tell upon our return a
    week from Sunday (or so).  Preliminary plans are:
    
    	Jewell Is - tonight of course
    	Monhegan  - Sat
    	Isles of Haut - Sun
    	Swan Is   - Mon
    	Sommes Sound  - Tues
    	Mettinicus    - Wedn
    	Robinhood     - Thur
    	???	      - Fri -> Sun
    
    of course (or maybe "off" course), the Divine One likes to have a laugh
    or two as well, so our "plans" may not bear fruit - but isn't that one
    of the things which makes sailing (and life) so great?
    
    

I dunked my 2 hp this weekend.  I coulden't get it apart to flood with fresh
water before I got home.  It wouldn't run after removing carb bowl, removing
spark plug and pumping out the water. I had to remove the mag and dry it out and 
clean up any surface rust.  I lucked out, it started.

    I also lucked out (for $67.30).  Do you know what it's like to have a
    pup on board for 12 hours?  The motor better run and run fast! 
    Actually, our dog decided even that wasn't fast enough and took on the
    task of jumping off the dinghy and pulling us to shore!  :-)

    RE: .8
    Ron did NOT steal my dinghy! He made a wisely low offer knowing full
    well the my Yard Captain had issued the order to reduce the Fleet.
    She seemed to think that one 22 foot sail boat, two canoes and two
    dinghies was at least one dinghy too many. The only problem is that
    upon returning from vacation, the remaining dinghy had been stolen from
    its rack at Winter Island in Salem. (Now using canoe as dinghy)
    
    Ron and Dot made it to Somes Sound by Monday and we had a great day
    together on Tuesday including lunch with Popovers at the Jordan Pond
    House. (Thanks Ron.)
    
    Fred 

    re .11
    
    Fred, you're welcome!  Actually, it was Dot who treated!  Come on now,
    it's not always the male, you know!  :-)
    
    Say, are you just getting back or did it take you this long to unpack? 
    I've never thought of "roughing it" the way you've got things set up. 
    The only thing you need to add is a water bed!
    
    	Regards,
    
    	Ron