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MR4DEC::DCADMUS "happiness is a bigger boat" 39 lines 29-JUN-1992 12:02
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I've been on two of the ships- and beleive me, they are all VERY
different.
THe Mattie- not impressed. I went 5 yrs ago , vew owner was havuing
finnacial difficulties. Very hapahazard operation. Mercantile is sister
ship, is very bad shape. Ship is very badly hogged, and very leaky.
Stepehen Taber- a floating museum piece- it is a registered historic
landmark, and it is absolueley beautiful. Ken Barnes is the skipper-
and the man who totally rebuilt the ship, which was launched in 1857.
Cabins are small, but nice (tiny- as in all these ships). Skipper is
an accomplished sailor, shipbuilder, educator, musiocian and author.
Food is plentiful, but on our trip, the cook was so-so. In my
estimation , it is the neatest ship in the fleet. All the fancy
ropework,and woodcarving make the ship absolutly charming- as well as
the salon with the fireplace.
The Taber anchors in out of the way places and Ken knows everbody on
the coast of main- you will also stay laughing (we attacked a nuclear
sub complete with teh skipper in an old navy sea captain's coat, Tam-O'
Shanter, red beard blowing in the wind and fired a broadside from the
small cannon at the sub).
Mary Day- much newer ship- big, high ceilings, and a "party boat" had
an organ in the main cabin.
Go down to Rockland or to Camden on a Sunday , befiore the ships head
out, and the crew will usually letyou poke around- you can get a good
flavor for the ship[s that way. they all have different decor, and
"culture".
It is a ball of fun- and inexpensive.
Call me at DTN 297-3980 if you want more info
Dick
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| 1887.2 | | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 16:40 | 14 |
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I think the previous note is a bit off on Mary Day- she is not a new
boat, and doesnt have 'high ceilings' ( but of course the ceiling of a
wooden boat is actually the hulls inner lining, so its not above you
but below and beside you). My personal opinion is MAry day is the best
sailed boat of the fleet.
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| 1887.3 | | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 16:40 | 21 |
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MR4DEC::DCADMUS "happiness is a bigger boat" 12 lines 29-JUN-1992 14:25
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"New' in the windjammer fleet is relative. The Mary Day was built for
the Windjammer trade, and was built sometime, I believe in the '60's.
Compared to some of the others such as the mary Rose and the Stepehen
Taber, that is relatively new.The fibreglass decks are a clue to the
"newness". The main cabin of the Mary Day impressed me as there was
a fair amount of height, at least as compared to some of the other vessels
in the Windjammer fleet.
I should have used Overhead instead of cieling, but I did that for
those folks not all that familiar with nautical terminology.
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| 1887.4 | Nathaniel Bowditch :-( | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 16:40 | 24 |
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MAST::SCHUMANN "We've met the enemy, and he is us!" 14 lines 30-JUN-1992 10:48
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We went for a three day cruise on the Nathaniel Bowditch two years ago. I can't
recommend it. The food was boring and not plentiful. I got the feeling that the
crew was in a hurry to get us off the boat so they could get to their time off.
(We picked the Bowditch because it was the only schooner we could find that
would allow kids.)
I'd recommend a longer cruise, because it will give you some assurance of
getting some decent sailing. (On our cruise there was almost no wind all
three days.)
--RS
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| 1887.5 | Much Cheaper than BAREBOATING! | MR4DEC::PWILSON | PHILIP WILSON, DTN 297-2789, MRO4-2E/C18 | Thu Jul 09 1992 10:57 | 27 |
| My wife and myself have signed aboard the Heritage, which is newly
made, but has much of the charm of the other antiques. We will report
back to you after our 6 day cruise the first week of August.
Some quick items of interest for those considering this very different
type of vacation:
o You'll get a true taste of the Maine coast which some say is the best
cruising ground in the world
o You can not beat the price! (Especially if you've been considering a
bareboat or crewed charter
o It's really a trip back into history! Most of the ships prefer not to
use auxiliary power, ie engines... AND many of the stopping off points
may actually look the way they did in the days of Indians!
I have taken a 7 day cruise on a very large square-rigger called the
"Flying Cloud" in and aroud Drake's Passage in the British Vigins.
Quite crowded with people but never-the-less lots of deck space. Plenty
to do, and handled very well overall by Barefoot Adventures out of
Miami. (Name may hay changed slightly)
As you can probably read from my comments, I am looking forward to our
Maine adventure. But in case there is light winds I will bring plenty
of Hornblower books and DREAMMMMMMM AWAY!
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| 1887.6 | she looks like a real beauty ... | CUPTAY::BAILEY | Season of the Winch | Thu Jul 09 1992 12:15 | 12 |
| >> I have taken a 7 day cruise on a very large square-rigger called the
>> "Flying Cloud" in and aroud Drake's Passage in the British Vigins.
>> Quite crowded with people but never-the-less lots of deck space. Plenty
>> to do, and handled very well overall by Barefoot Adventures out of
>> Miami. (Name may hay changed slightly)
The name's the same ... I have some friends that were married aboard
the "Flying Cloud" last year. And I got a nice photo of her as we were
leaving the harbor at Cooper's Island this past January.
... Bob
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| 1887.7 | Coast Guard Safety Regulations/ Windjammers | RDVAX::LAZGIN | | Tue Jul 14 1992 18:32 | 14 |
| Regarding note .5 "Maine Windjammers"
The reason they 'prefer' not to use engines?
It would be too expensive for them to meet the Coast Guard Saftey
regulations, for boats with auxilary power.
By not having an engine many safety regulations do not apply.
Frank
Did you sign any "Liability Waiver" before your cruise?
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| 1887.8 | | DEMOAX::GINGER | Ron Ginger | Thu Jul 16 1992 11:21 | 21 |
| The previous note is basically correct, but makes it sound like the
owners are just to cheap to do it. In fact, the requirements would be
the same as for passenger carrying steamships- such things as
watertight bulkheads, fire pumps, licensed engineers in the engine
room etc. All quite unreasonable for any wooden boat.
By operating with a push boat, which itself doesnt carry passengers,
they avoid all this.
There was a move a few years ago to re-write some regulations to be
more reasonable for a catagory of sailing school ships. Im not quite
sure how it ever came out- if it even did. It was aboput the same time
as the PRIDE OF BALTIMORE sank, and that may have scared the CG off of
any rule changes.
In a different catagory, the DELTA QUEEN, a Mississippi river steamboat
is able to operate now only by special act of congress exempting it
from 'modern' regulations.
Dont you just love Government Regulators!
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| 1887.9 | Sailing School Vessels Act | DKAS::SPENCER | | Thu Jul 16 1992 15:31 | 23 |
| Ron,
>>> There was a move a few years ago to re-write some regulations to be
>>> more reasonable for a catagory of sailing school ships. Im not quite
>>> sure how it ever came out- if it even did. It was aboput the same time
>>> as the PRIDE OF BALTIMORE sank, and that may have scared the CG off of
>>> any rule changes.
The Sailing School Vessel Act did eventually pass, and Sea Education
Association (SEA) out of Woods Hole is very proud that their recently
launched ('90?) 130' staysail schooner "SSV Corwith Cramer" was the first
ship built specifically to the act's provisions. She is a near-copy of
the highly successful 125' SEA sistership "Westward", but benefits from
some advantages the new law provides. "SSV" stands for Sailing School
Vessel.
BTW, Baltimore has built a new "Pride", designed by the same firm as the
first was, I believe, but with quite a few changes which make her far
less radical than the old Baltimore clippers her namesake represented.
The new one still looks pretty, and without the old one to compare her to,
most folks never notice the differences.
John.
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| 1887.10 | | CUPMK::AHERN | Dennis the Menace | Wed Jul 22 1992 15:34 | 7 |
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>(We picked the Bowditch because it was the only schooner we could find
>that would allow kids.)
Is this still true that they're the only one? What age is the cutoff?
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| 1887.11 | kids and divots | MAST::SCHUMANN | We've met the enemy, and he is us! | Thu Jul 23 1992 13:39 | 21 |
| re: kids on schooners.
I called several schooners' reservations numbers, and they had various age
cutoffs, typically between 14 and 18. The general experience seems to be that
6 or 7 days on a schooner is too much for *some* younger kids (they get nintendo
withdrawal, etc. and become sullen and whiny :-). The schooner captains don't
want to chance it, because one obnoxious kid can spoil the experience for all
their other guests.
I won't take my own kids (10 and 14) on a boat for more than 2-3 days in a
row without some shore days. They just don't have the patience for extended
cruising.
When we went on the Bowditch, it was for 3 days, and the kids were tired of it
by then. (In fairness, my kids were better behaved than some of the other
passengers, one of whom brought his golf clubs and took a divot out of the deck
while teeing off over the stern!)
--RS
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| 1887.12 | | TOOK::SWIST | Jim Swist LKG2-2/T2 DTN 226-7102 | Mon Jul 27 1992 12:15 | 10 |
| re: Kids
One time I took the boat out, my daughter (8), set a new record
by announcing she was bored sometime between 3 and 4 minutes into
the trip.
The problem is they will beg you to come along because it sounds
like fun, but then you discover that the ambiance of cruising means
nothing to most kids.
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| 1887.13 | Whine Back | SALEM::GILMAN | | Tue Jul 28 1992 12:42 | 5 |
| What you do is wait until you and the kid just arrive at an exciting
activity the KID badly wants to do, just as you step out of the car
whine to the kid "can we GO HOME now?!
Jeff
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| 1887.14 | "HERITAGE" | MR4DEC::PWILSON | PHILIP WILSON, DTN 297-2789, MRO4-2E/C18 | Tue Aug 18 1992 17:28 | 122 |
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"HERITAGE"
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My Personal Overall Vacation Rating: *****
- Weather *****
- Stop-Off Points ****
- Food *** (Its just plain good, nothing
really fancy, but great job
considering they only have a
wood stove!)
- Captain' attitude *****
- Crew's attitude ****
- Organization ****
- Ship's Shape *****
- Lobster Feast *****
- Surprise on Last Night *****
- Brunch before you leave **** (With champagne, mind you!)
- Swimming * (Captain's Kids swam most
mornings!!!)
- Shopping *** (Good antique stores, and if
you need foul weather gear,
hit the local Lobsterman
Supply Outlet.
- Entertainment Ashore ***
- Passengers *** (A lot of Snorers)
- Accomodations *** (Small but cozy)
Captains: Douglas and Linda Lee
Ship: Coasting Schooner; "Heritage"
Address: Box 482 Rockland, Maine 04841
Phones: (207)594-8007 or (207)596-0035
(800)648-4544 or (800)542-5030
Sailing Schedule (1992)
June 1 - $535 August 3 - $615
" 8 - $555 " 10 - "
" 15 - $575 " 17 - "
" 22 - $595 Windjammer Days " 24 - "
" 29 - $615 Schooner Race " 31 - "
July 6 - $615 Sept. 7 - $595
" 13 - " " 14 - $575 Sail-In
" 20 - " " 21 - $555 Fall Foliage
" 27 - " " 28 - $535 " "
Accomodations: 13 Double Cabins (4 with double bunks)
2 Triples
1 Single
All cabins have fresh (cold) running water sinks
3 heads on Deck
1 Shower
Departure: Arrive Sunday 6-10:00 P.M. Leave Dock Monday AM.
Rockland, Me.
Cruising Grounds: Penobscot Bay, Eggemoggin Reach, Isle Au Haut Bay
Jericho Bay, Blue Hill Bay, Frenchman's Bay
Destinations: Determined by Wind Conditions
Vinylhaven, Stonington, Isle Au Haut, Swan's Island,
Brooklyn (Boat School, Wooden Boat Mag.), Bar Harbor
Monhegan Island, Matinicus Island, and many others
Boat Specs:
o Launched 1983 o Length 94' o Beam 24'
o Draft 8' o Draft with Board 18' o No Engine
o 1 Yawl Boat with Engine
o 3 Other sailing/rowing wherries
My Review:
Bottom line: an excellent vacation rated by myself and wife as 5
stars for sheer beauty, organization by Captains, stop-off points, and
good food. Note that we have been to Hawaii 4 times and thought that
this part of Maine was extraordinary for its beauty! Save time either
before or after your cruise to go to the National Park at Mount Desert
Isle, and maybe Bar Harbor. I had never been to these and the former is
sensational in many respects.
Whistling was allowed on board, and you were expected to join in with
the sea chanty's while pulling up the sails. Do NOT bring radios, do
not expect TV's, VCR's, or telephones. Don't worry you'll get used to
not being able to shower from Monday morning to Wednesday 9:00am to
conserve water for balance of cruise, as well as 8am breakfasts.
My recommendations to those who may be considering a Windjammer
Cruise are as follows:
1. Do not have any preconceptions as to weather (our was fabulous)
2. Be prepared to mingle with the other passengers
3. " " " help with chores such as meals, dishes, sails, etc.
4. Bring enough drinks such as sodas, beer, wine, and liquors
(I brought a bottle of Pusser's Rum to pass out which was a real
hit)
5. Bring binoculars
6. " camera with flash, mid-long lens, and plenty of film
7. " warm and cool/cold weather clothes, rain gear
8. Look forward to the Lobster All-you-can-eat Feast (We each had 4
apiece! because many people came from the Mid-west and didn't
really get into "bugs"... WOW!!!
9. Bring a supply of cotton balls as you'll no doubt have snorers
nearby!
10. Bring suntan lotion, bug spray, dark glasses, and good reading
material
11. Bring a stout boat rod. I forgot mine and it might come in useful
if you come across a school of Blues. Or, go after some Cod, or
Flounder at anchor perhaps.
Some of the other high points were consistently good food, attitude of
Captain, fun stopping off points, sheer beauty of the uninhabited
coastline, AND SUPERB WEATHER!!!. Oh!, I almost forgot, I finished one
great Hornblower book too!
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| 1887.15 | | UNIFIX::BERENS | Alan Berens | Tue Aug 18 1992 18:09 | 6 |
| re .14:
Glad you had a great vacation. However ..... Maine weather is not
dependably nice. An entire week or several days with no wind and/or
nothing but fog and/or rain is not uncommon. The best sailing is, in my
opinion, during early September.
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