Conference unifix::sailing

    
    Can you tell me when the tall ships are coming?  I missed them last 
    time around and would like to plan on seeing them this time.  Thanks.
    
    Susan
    

Yes, I am going to be part of the fleet in Boston harbor in July for the tall
ships. I am in the Coast Guard Auxiliary and will be there for the first four 
days starting July 9th.

There are approximately the following number of boats expected:

	24 Class A Boats - (Tall Ships over 170 feet in length)
	150 Class B Tall Ships
	30 -40 Class C Tall Ships
	12 Maxi Racers
	A couple of J boats (I think)

There are going to be over 80 Coast Guard Auxiliary boats and 40+ Coast Guard 
patrol boats and cutters. An entire carrier task force will also be in the 
harbor at the same time. 

It is the largest gathereing of sail vessels in decades, in anyone place at 
the same time.

It is estimated that there will be between 2.5 and 5 million spectators on
the shore and in and around Boston that will generate from $300,000,000.00
to $500,000,000.00 worth of business.

Specatator fleets are expected to number upwards of 12,000. Slips, moorings, 
and anchorages will be at a premium and under very tight control of the 
Coast Guard and other agencies. 

On Saturday, the parade of Sail day. the specatator fleet must be in the 
assigned anchorage very early in the morning and MUST REMAIN THERE FOR THE
ENTIRE DAY (12 HOURS OR MORE) Regardless of the weather, sun or temperature.
NO ONE WILL BE ALLOWED TO MOVE FROM THEIR ANCHORAGE FOR ANY REASON.

Specific anchorages have been set aside for different types of boats. i.e.,
pleasure, commercial, etc. 

These areas line the route of the parade of sail.

In the above I mentioned that the parade of sail will take 12 hours. This
has been the estimate handed down to us. Therefore plan accordingly.

Take food, pleanty of water, tonic, sunscreen, medicine etc. You might even
want to consider leaving the small children at home with a relative. Such
long exposure to sun and heat in July might not be wise for youngesters.

From Sunday on, people can board the many tall ships and navel vessels that 
are in the harbor.

Liik in th enews papers for updated announcements as the date approaches.

The ships start arriving July 10th.

Good lick and enjoy one of the greatest sights you'll ever see.

Paul (who is SERPing out of here on May 29th and who is looking
forward to SAIL Boston 92 as a great way to start retirement)

12000 spectator boats??? Any you can't move regardless of the weather, 
etc??? 

Gee, this is one offer I can refuse. Sailing to Maine sounds like a much
better idea. Much safer, too. 

:-)

>>>>There are approximately the following number of boats expected:
>>>>
>>>>	24 Class A Boats - (Tall Ships over 170 feet in length)
>>>>	150 Class B Tall Ships
>>>>	30 -40 Class C Tall Ships
>>>>	12 Maxi Racers
>>>>	A couple of J boats (I think)


For some of the classes the forecast is, perhaps, greater than 100% of
world's population of such boats.  It could happen but some shipyards 
would have to log some serious OT.

For the last two tall ship parades, the moratorium on movement lasted
from roughly 7:00 to about 1:00.   To get a front row mooring, you had to 
get there the night before.  But when the last tall ship went by, a
CG patrol boat came by blasting a siren which signaled the end.  At
that point, everyone scattered.  Around lunch time, people started getting
a bit antsy.  I think it may be difficult enforcing such a long quiet
period.

The best time to see the boats up close will probably be the evening before.
Sail around the tall ships while they're at anchor.  Or hang around Boston
or Graves lights earlier in the day and catch them as converge on the outer
harbor.

- gene

Re: 4

Yes Alan, there will be about 12,000 boats in the harbor. Because the 
parade of sail will take place no matter what the weather, it was deemed 
imposible to have any non-participating boats moving about for any reason.

Therefore, bring pleanty of drinks, food, shelter of some kind if you have
an open boat. douible the holding capacity of the porta-potti etc. THINK,
THINK THINK ahead if your planning to attend this once in a life-time event.

If you want the get some idea of what it is going to be like, think back to
the videos of the Statue of Liberty celebration held about 4 years ago.
There,
they had 55,000 pleasure boats, fewer tall ships but more navel ships.
also, New York harbor is a whole lot large than Boston.

So, come on down for a great time, stay for the fireworks Saturday night, but
whatever you do PLAN AHEAD.

Paul 

    A lot of the Tall ships left Spain late last week for PR and then onto
    NY and Boston.

The Tall Ships are due to arrive Friday, July 10, 1992. Some may arrive the day
before. They will be staying about one week to 10 days before racing off to 
Europe.

I saw an article in OFFSHORE that indicated that the parade route 
would indeed be closed to cross traffic, but that one could up anchor 
and move away from the parade route. Of course, that might be a lot
easier said than done.

Are there any Boston Harbor sailors(boaters) with a recomended location
for a DEC raft up. 

We hope to come down from Salem, but at 22 feet, would certainly appreciate
being with some larger boats.

Fred

    
    An important Note:
    
    I heard a rumor that the USS Constitution was going into drydock for
    three years after the event.  This could be the last time for a while
    that the tall ships come to Boston.
    
    Skip
    

The latest, as of a month ago, from CDR Amirault, Captain of the
Constitution was:

Major refit/rebuild will be delayed until after '98 and "Old Ironsides'"
bicentennial and the next major 'Tall Ships event. 

She will be going into dry dock this fall for about a year but only to
do what is necessary to get her through 98. If I remember correctly,
the will be pulling the copper sheathing for a look below the water
line for the first time in quite a few years. They will be doing as
much surveying as fixing in preparation for the hauling after the
bicentennial. 

As on now, any plans to completely refit and rig her for sailing have
been tabled. No problem with getting the sails or rigging, but major
concern for internal structure of the ship. 

When CDR Amirault took command he says they gave him some good news and
some bad news. The bad news was that the ship would be out of the water
for most of a year and would miss her annual 'turn around' on July 4th.
The good news was that during his first summer of command, he would
have THREE opportunities to 'sail' her. The July 4th turn around, the
July 11th OP-Sail 92 Parade and the July 16th OP-Sail 92 Farewell.

    I had an opportunity last weekend to be part of the Tall Ships parade
    in Norfolk VA.  My Bro-in-law has a wooden Little Harbor 40 Yawl
    (ex-Robin) which was invited to be a participant in the parade. 
    Norfolk's festivities were small in comparison to the other venues but
    we had a nice time anyway and got to see the ships up close and
    personal.  There were only 7 or so ships in Norfolk including
    Concordia, Sedov, Capitan Martinez (?), Libertad, American Rover,
    Shabab Oman and one or two others.  
    
    We had reserved slips waiting for us right next to the docks where
    Sedov and Libertad were tied up.  Seeing as we were within crawling
    distance of several drinking establishments which did not close until
    2:00 AM or so, it made for late nights and uncomfortable mornings ;-). 
    One evening, the crews of Libertad and Sedov had a shouting match which
    was fortunately averted from becoming a full blown skirmish on the
    docks.  The ships that we visited were in surprisingly poor condition
    inside and out.  Sedov is in particularly bad shape which is a sad
    testimony to the current domestic situation.  They also came into port
    with virtually no food.  They have however taken to capitalistic ways
    as they no sooner had tied up when there were several crew members
    setting up tables to sell trinkets from Russia.  
    
    ALl in all it was a nice weekend if not a tiring one.  We sailed down
    to Fort Monroe from Deltaville on Thursday AM which took about 7 hours
    in almost perfect conditions.  The return trip had us motoring the
    whole way from Norfolk inner harbor which took about 9 hours with the
    wind on our nose.  We did manage to sail the last few hours and we did
    manage to scare some more crabs as the board touched in a low spot near
    Gwynn's Island. Thank heavens for a 4' draft!  
    
    If anyone os going to visit while the ships are in Boston or New York,
    it should be a much more impressive display of water craft of all sorts
    not to mention many more ships on display.  
    
    Brian

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    I heard that the Tall Ships would be coming up from a New York City
    parade and going through the Cape Cod Canal on July 9, from 11-4, and
    that was a good time to see them up close.  Can anyone confirm this
    information?
    
    Paul

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    Don't know about the Boston/canal transit but.....I was in the parade
    in Norfolk VA.  We were one of 25 boats in the parade including the
    Tall Ships.  Pretty neat experience.  There were only 6 or 7 ships in
    all.  Sedov, Libertad, American Rover, Shabab Oman, Capitan ???? and a
    few others. 
    
    We were in slips at Waterside Marina right downtown.  Quite reasonable
    but very noisy.  $30.00 per night for a 40 footer.  We were berthed
    just on the other side of Libertad and Sedov.  Both ships are in not
    all that good of shape inside.  Sedov came into Norfolk with her pantry
    bare and they were looking for food donations for the crew.  The crew
    also has learned the lessons of capitalism quite well as they were
    hawking all sorts of trinkets which were being snarfed up by the
    tourists.  
    
    A few members of Sedov and Libertad got into a scuffle one night, no
    real injury but there were words exchanged though I do not believe any
    of them knew what the others were saying.  
    
    We left from Deltaville and anchored at Fort Monroe Thursday evening. 
    We met the ships in Hampton Roads for the procession in at around 9:00. 
    Never having been in the Chesapeake before, this is one busy place!!! 
    There were no fewer than 7 aircraft carriers in port and at least a
    dozen submarines.  The cargo traffic is impressive also.  
    
    Most of the ships set sail into Norfolk proper though Sedov did not. 
    She is huge at 385 feet.  She is also flying the CIS flag, not the
    hammer/sicle.  For those of you viewing in Boston, it should be an 
    impressive sight.  There were few restrictions on the spectator fleet, 
    many boats got pretty close before being chased away.  All in all it
    was a pretty small affair but I was glad to be part of it.
    
    Brian

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I can't confirm Cape Cod Canal passage, but I'd heard the same thing while on 
the Cape last weekend. Except for the dozen or so largest Class A's who have to
go around due to height, draft or maneuvering concerns, I'd bet Friday afternoon
would be a great time to be alongside the canal.

Pete
(Looking for the Class B "Romance")

    
    A Quick Question. Does anybody have any idea what time the TALL SHIPS
    
    will be goind thru the cape cod canal on 7-11-92 ??????

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    I'm planning on going. It will be big, crowded, loud (Logan +
    ciggarettes), and as choppy as all get out. But it will be photo
    oportunity No. 1.

    I've got all the CG info incluing a special local notice to mariners. I
    made reservations a couple of months ago in Scituate (sp) for thurs and
    sunday nights (i'm from Wood Hole). We'll try for a nice spot in the
    inner harbor fri and Sat.

    They are coming through the cannal starting thursday at 11ish.

    The one question we havn't answered: How do we choose the crew member
    that gets to clean off the anchor after having been oozed into the
    bottom of Boston Harbor?

    Some phone numbers:
	USCG Group Boston Public Affairs: 617/223-8515	- main #
					     /2222  - notice to marniner
						      people
	"     Sandwich Cape Cod Cannal    508/888-0200
	Sail Boston			  617/330-1992

    I'll be the little 25 footer in the middle of the mess...

    paul
    

	Does anyone know what, if any, Marine Band shortwave frequencies the
Tall Ships might possible be using?  I an not a sailor, but I do have a
nice portable 150 KHz-30 MHz SSB shortwave receiver. 

	I called the Cape Cod Canal phone # and the fella there said 
they would most likely be up on VHF 156.650 (which I can't receive),
but thought I might try 2182, 2096.5, 4125.0 ?

	thanks very much for any info, Josh Belkin

    Does anyone know if there is a list around of what order the tall ships
    came through in Boston?  It would also be nice to have the class B and
    C ships listed, but the A's are enough.

    Is anyone planning on getting the videotapes offered by channel 5 or 7?
    I saw the "wrap-up" coverage on channel 5 (6:30-8:00 on Sat.) after the
    parade of sail and it was truely awful.  I thought that with all the
    helicopters and media boats around they should have gotten better
    shots.  They also kept repeating that there had been "no problems" in
    the crowd, as if they were disappointed that there wasn't a riot.  If
    their tape is similar to the broadcast coverage, then it's not worth
    it.

    I had a great day on Saturday watching the parade from the end of the
    Black Falcon pier.  Took the T in and out with no problem.  The highway
    (93) looked nearly empty when we passed over it.  I think the media
    scared many people away from driving in (good) and scared many people
    away period (bad).

    ---Phil