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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

1834.0. "sail has one clew too many" by MSD02::KOSKI () Tue Feb 25 1992 11:04

    
        Hello to all,
    
          Having just bought a used genoa (private deal), I noticed a
    grommet in the middle of the length of the foot. The previous owner
    didn't know what it was used for either. Can anybody tell me why
    it might be there?
          The sail is a North, apx. 150% genoa, it has leach and foot
    lines built in, and is a hank-on type. It was used on a Ranger 22,
    aparently he used to race it as it has all kinds of tell-tales
    plastered over it, it even has a tell-tale window. 
          So, are there any good answers, how about wild speculation?
    
                             thanks.....Dana
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1834.1For a tack or skirt facilitatorTUNER::HOTue Feb 25 1992 12:2113
     
    a)  A line lead from the cockpit to the bow and back to the grommet may
    be used to help the clew clear the mast during tacks.
    
    b)  A line lead from the cockpit to the middle of the foredeck and then
    to the grommet may be used to help the foot clear the lifelines when
    trimming after a tack.
    
    a) and b) keep the foredeck person off the foredeck when powering up
    after a tack.  On a small pointy boat like a ranger 22, this can make a
    big difference in the boat's trim.
    
    - gene
1834.2To help tack around mast & shrouds?HANNAH::SEARSPaul Sears, DSG1-2/E6, dtn 235-8452Tue Feb 25 1992 12:2715
    I'm not a racer, and i don't even play one on TV, but i'll take a
    guess.

    I think the middle foot grommet is to help tack the sail. I think it
    works like this: place a block near the stem, reeve (rove?) a line from
    the cockpit, possibly through various faireads, through the stem block,
    then back to the grommet. Then while tacking pull on this control line
    after the leward sheet is released such that you "bundle" up the sail
    and the clew passes in front of the mast and shrouds without all the
    rubbing normally associated with tacking a 150%. I think i've seen thin
    on the 12 meters.

    That's my guess...

    paul
1834.3note collisionHANNAH::SEARSPaul Sears, DSG1-2/E6, dtn 235-8452Tue Feb 25 1992 12:281
    .1 & .2: note collision.
1834.4Coming UP!!MILKWY::WAGNERScottTue Feb 25 1992 12:533
    But didn't Gene hail "Room at the Reply!!"??
    
    Sea_Lawyer
1834.5Judgment callDKAS::SPENCERTue Feb 25 1992 13:224
The correct hail when nearing an argument with no space to maneuver is,
"Opinion Room!", and don't change your mind until in immediate danger.

;-),  J.
1834.6strings everywhere!MSD02::KOSKITue Feb 25 1992 13:4217
    I guess it's unanimously decided the extra grommet is a tacking
    aid...gee, another string to pull, I should have known it would
    be something like that when I saw the leach and foot strings!
    Actually, I probably won't use this, the sail is something less
    than a 150% on my boat, and I don't race.
    
    Hey, while were on this sail (this is for you racing guys) , I
    mentioned that this sail has many tell-tales on it, do you believe
    that having 7 or 8 tell-tales on one side of a sail is useful? There
    must be a point of diminishing returns. On my working jib I have
    3 on each side. It just looks like someone went wild with yarn and
    sail tape on the new one. (I hope I can get some of them off without 
    evidence)
    
    Well, thanks for the quick replies and fair winds to all.
    
                                    dana
1834.7Wild with yarnSTAR::KENNEYTue Feb 25 1992 14:548
    
    	They went wild with yarn tufts for no good reason......  The more
    you have the more they confuse the trimmer.  It is generally impossible
    to keep every part of the sail perfectly powered up.  A couple (two or
    three) properly placed is generally all you need.  Or so the books I
    have read and the sail makers I know say.
    
    Forrest
1834.8While tuning??LARVAE::JORDANChris Jordan, Digital Services - Office Consultant, LondonWed Feb 26 1992 04:2220
Yes... 2 or 3 PROPERLY placed is all that are needed....

      But if you are setting your boat up for high powered racing, and 
      adjusting all the positions of everything - mast rake, shroud 
      tension, halyard tension, spreader length, sheeting position (height 
      and width) etc etc...
      Then it is useful to have many tell-tales. You can then write down 
      and record details like "tell-tales 1-6 OK, Nos 7-9 too loose, Nos 
      9-15 too close when jib is at position A45 in a wind strength of 4".

      Using this information you can set the boat up for the conditions, 
      record the details, and know exactly how to get the best from the 
      boat.

      Then when actually racing all you need is the 2 or 3 tell-tales that 
      reflect the general sail shape now you have found the ideal sheeting 
      position.

Cheers, Chris