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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

1772.0. "Buying adviced requested" by SHIPS::GOUGH_P (Pete Gough) Mon Aug 12 1991 04:54

    My neighbour at the marina has been cruising the world for 20 years and
    has just returned from a year doing the Atlantic Circuit. He intends to
    sell his current yacht Ocean Pilgrim a Vancover 32 this winter and is
    looking for a A Bowman 40 or something similar. He would like to buy
    something in need of work and spend six months getting it up to shape.
    Prior to starting cruising he owned a boat yard........He has heard
    rumours of some incredibly good buys to be had in the US. Can anyone be
    kind enough to let me have some idea of the fact or fiction of the
    rumouror even some US Magazines that could be purchased in the UK?
    
    Cheers.........Pete
    
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1772.1yup. prices are way down.ICS::R_GREENRon Green 223-8956Mon Aug 12 1991 10:1716
    Pete -
    
    I was really surprised at how boat prices have fallen since last I
    looked.  At my level of sailing, most stuff would be seen through the
    WANT ADVERTISER - a local second hand magazine for private sales. 
    Will send a copy tomorrow via office mail just for calibration
    purposes.
    
    OFF-SHORE is a magazine with several regional editions 
    for a broader spectrum of listings.  YOur friend may want to sign up
    for the Florida edition - home of many, many cruising boats for sale
    and the final stop for many, many cruising dreams.
    
    STill looking for your visit on the end of the uphill tack.
    
    Ron
1772.2Indiv's sell for less than brokersSELECT::SPENCERMon Aug 12 1991 13:4919
Pete,

Prices do seem low these days.  Especially those being sold by private 
individuals vs. brokers.  (Brokers must be eternally optimistic, working
on a top-weighted sliding scale commission, unbelievably patient, or 
living in another economic system....) 

The WANTadvertiser (mentioned in .1) may be particularly useful since it
is probably close to 100% owner-placed ads.  It will have smaller yacht 
sizes.  Larger yachts are less frequently sold only through the owner, but 
we have a monthly paper here called "Soundings"; perhaps another noter has 
a copy that could be i/o mailed over to you.  It does have 50-75% or more
broker ads, though. 

FWIW, my dentist is interested in selling her refurbished ~15-18 year old
C&C 30 for around $20K -- which sounds pretty reasonable, especially when 
compared to new replacement cost.

John.
1772.3NOVA::EASTLANDWed Aug 14 1991 16:339
    
    We bought our Crealock designed Columbia 36, older boat - 1969 or so - 
    for 26K 2 or 3 years ago. We're trying to sell it now, but to unload it
    would probably have to take 18-19K. Not too terrible, considering the
    use we got out of her. We were at the marina in Boston a few weeks ago
    and a guy sailed in from Maine where he'd just picked up a really nice
    looking (tho' we didnt look below) CAL 40, built in 1967, for 27K. I
    see no reason why prices won't continue to fall. 
    
1772.4SHIPS::GOUGH_PPete GoughMon Sep 02 1991 08:138
    To those of you who sent me hard copy of US Ad's thanks, I have passed
    them onto my neighbour. The conclusion is that the US market is a lot
    more depressed than the U.K. and thus better buys to be had your side
    of the puddle.
    
    thanks,
    
    Pete
1772.5Up-date from Soundings etc ?RDGENG::BEVANWed Nov 11 1992 05:0311
Hi Folks,  can anyone update this note for those of us winter_dreaming?
Makes something positive out of down-sizing!   

Maybe copy in a couple of examples from Soundings for 33-42 foot boats? 
Or if its easier maybe send me an old  copy of Soundings, REO2 G/H2 and 
I'll cut them in :^)

Is Florida the principle area or is further south better, maybe Bahamas/West 
Indies, Windward Isles ?

Steve
1772.6On the way.WBC::RODENHISERWed Nov 11 1992 08:057
    
    >   Or if its easier maybe send me an old  copy of Soundings, REO2 G/H2 and
    
    Will be out of the office for a few days. When I get back next week
    I'll put a couple of back issues in the mail for you.
    
    John
1772.7Florida or bust ?RDGENG::BEVANFri Nov 13 1992 11:354
re .5

Anyone know the answer to whether Florida and/or further south is the best
hunting grounds?
1772.8No real simple answerSTAR::KENNEYFri Nov 13 1992 15:2810
    	The best place can and does move with economic times.  A couple years
    back Texas was good, then Louisiana was good.  It depends upon what area
    is seeing a real economic down turn.  The toys are frequently the first
    things to go.  Florida is generally a good place but may not be the
    best.  Also Florida is a huge place to be shopping.  One could spend a
    whole 15 hours driving between points.


    Forrest
1772.9Prices varyNWD002::SASLOW_STSTEVEMon Nov 16 1992 12:2110
    Prices in Florida do seem very low compared to other places in the
    country. However, remember that a boat sitting in that bright sun and
    high humidity deteriorates fast so condition may not be as good, hence
    the lower price. Around the Great Lakes is good for prices especially
    just before winter. The boats are in good shape because of fresh water
    habitat. The economy in the area is certainly a big factor. I would
    think New England would be cheap right now. My brother in-law just
    bought a 34 foot power cruiser (fiberglass with new engines) for
    $25,000. on Cape Cod. You couldn't touch that boat in Seattle for less
    than $60,000.
1772.10Thanks for the magsRDGENG::BEVANThu Dec 03 1992 06:239
re  .6  Thanks John, arrived today. I'll read through and see if I can post
some comparisons with UK prices in case anyone else is interested. I may put 
that in a different topic. 

I'll also be in Florida (Ft lauderdale) for a couple of days in January to 
have a proper look.
 

Thanks again, Steve