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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

1684.0. "Information on cat boats?" by BOSTP2::BEAU () Thu Mar 14 1991 15:13

    Does anyone have information on cat boats beyond the 20 foot range?
    I keep my boat in Padanaram (where the Marshall cats are made), and
    am intrigued with them.  Some questions come to mind, like
    
    a) who makes models bigger than the 22 Marshall cat, 
    b) how do they sail to weather.,
    c) what's current market value, 
    d) are they sailed in other parts of the country besides Cape Cod, 
    e) how does a gaff rig sail compared to a marconi?
    
    I grew up on a gaff rig frendship (43'), but it's been years since
    I actually sailed one. 
    
    Thanks for any information!
    
    Beau
     
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1684.1Upwind? hahahahaVIKING::WAGNERFri Mar 15 1991 13:0329
    
    	I used to moor at Kehoe's in Hingham Harbor, and there were a few
    catboats that looked quite a bit longer than 22', but they're so wide,
    the eyes can play tricks. They are ALL very pretty. Testament to the
    care they receive.
    
    	The reason I name the place is one characteristic: shallow
    ancorage. Every cat there has a pivoting centerboard. These boats were
    the original gunkholable workboat `round these parts, sez the owners.
    
    	Their performance is something else yet again. They can't point to
    save their lives, and gaff rig even makes it worse. Course if you're in
    a hurry..... right?
    
    	Market value?? Hmmm.... there's a bunch of older wood ones in
    varying shapes, some should be put out of their misery or immersed in
    epoxy. I'd guess, being sort of a `niche' boat, the prices will be all
    over. Same with any wood and/or `classic' design, right?
    
    	But, in a shallow bay, like Hingham or Quincy, they can't be beat.
    Next best thing to a time machine! 
    
    	Let me know if you end up with a fixerupper, so I can buy stock in
    West and Varnish!
    
    Have fun! It's a buyer's market, and eveerybody selling a boat is your
    best pal!
    
    Scott.
1684.2How to squeeze 40' into 30'CONFG5::HUNTERFri Mar 22 1991 10:0521
    There are cat boats and there are cat boats.
    
    While the traditionalists would most likely disagree, the best of the
    breed today (in my humble opinion) is the Nonsuch.
    
    I sailed a 30 footer in the Antigua Race Week 3 years ago and had a
    blast. We were first in our class across the line in every race but one
    thanks to the boat's manouverability. We also more than held our own in 
    our duels with the other boats in our class, most of them 36 foot or
    longer. Unfortunately our handicap was such that we could never do
    better than a third place (we blew a mast fitting in one race, probably
    because we had the wish-bone boom tuned tighter than a cross bow.)
    
    The downside to this boat is that it is the most expensive available
    today in terms of dollars per foot, at around $84K. And, upwind......
    say no more.
    
    Regards
    
    
    with the bigger boats in our class
1684.3Nonsuch vs traditional catboatSELECT::SPENCERMon Mar 25 1991 12:2729
>>>    I sailed a 30 footer in the Antigua Race Week 3 years ago and had a
>>>    blast. We were first in our class across the line in every race but one
>>>    thanks to the boat's manouverability. We also more than held our own in 
>>>    our duels with the other boats in our class, most of them 36 foot or
>>>    longer. Unfortunately our handicap was such that we could never do
>>>    better than a third place (we blew a mast fitting in one race, probably
>>>    because we had the wish-bone boom tuned tighter than a cross bow.)
>>>    
>>>    The downside to this boat is that it is the most expensive available
>>>    today in terms of dollars per foot, at around $84K. And, upwind......
>>>    say no more.

Sounds like a Nonsuch.  Compared to the old catboats of Cape Cod Bay, they 
share a similar hull shape, deckhouse design, and that's about it.   

The Nonsuch line has a catboat hull with moderate fin keel, deep balanced 
spade rudder, and unstayed marconi rig with the largest production 
wishbone booms around.  They out-perform the old types in every way except
possibly reaching in big breezes when the traditional's lower CE and
raised centerboard may allow near-planing.  At which point they become a
big handful due to the forward rig and shallow rudder which tends to lever
the latter out of the water and produce a rather quick round-up (making
one glad for the stability the 1+:2 beam provides.) 

Today's appeal of the traditional cats is their appearance, amazing 
interior volume, and very shallow draft.  They are *not* an offshore boat
by any stretch. 

J.