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| 1675.1 | Some Info on the rules | BOMBE::ALLA | | Wed Mar 06 1991 12:07 | 32 |
| Peter, see note 1464 for details on padlocking the Y-valve.
In the US it's no-discharge within the 3 miles. (Electra-Sans are
OK with the USCG)
However it has been my experiance that the local harbour master
will take more interest in head discharges than the CG. (except
when the CG stops you for something else and adds head infractions
to the list)
Since last summer, a new US law forbids dumping of garbage, trash and
PLASTIC ! Inside 3 miles, no food scraps, etc. when you get way
out its plastic that remains on the list.
I would not worry about soap from the cockpit or stuff from the sink
drain.
On pumpout facilities in my area; (Massachusetts, Buzzards Bay,
Vineyard & Nantucket Sounds) not a lot of pumpout facilities and
a I found in Vineyard Haven last summer, not too willing to pump
your tank. (Onset Bay, Edgartown on Martha's Vineyard , Menemsha
are good at providing the service)
On the dumping law, you must have one of those plaques like the "No
oil discharge" one. Its for the trash law and West Marine and
others sell it. (even if you are a foreign registered vessel, I
would have both posted on board).
Enjoy your cruise.
Frank
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| 1675.2 | A twist to the same question. | SWAM2::HOMEYER_CH | No, but you can see it from here | Thu Mar 07 1991 14:36 | 8 |
| I have a stock Catalina 36 as far as the plumbing is concerned. The
head is only connected to the holding tank. There is a deck pump out
to the holding tank. OK so far. My question is a lock on the
thru-hull which the Macerator pump is connected to the holding tank?
All waste must go to the holding tank first. Is this considered the
same as a Y valve that would allow direct overboard discharge?
Chuck
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| 1675.3 | .2 Same as y-valve | BOMBE::ALLA | | Thu Mar 07 1991 15:42 | 6 |
| re; .2
It would seem the intent of the law is prevent "direct discharge"
of the head. Therefore a lock at the mascerator would be the
same as a y-valve lock.
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| 1675.4 | one or two plaques ? | HAEXLI::PMAIER | | Mon Mar 11 1991 04:23 | 7 |
| re .1:
You mentioned two plaques in your reply.I have seen a copy of a plaque
in one of the last cruising worlds.Is it sufficent to make a photo
copy and tape it to the wall in the toilett ?
Peter
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| 1675.5 | Be sure it's right size | BOMBE::ALLA | | Mon Mar 11 1991 13:56 | 11 |
| A photo copy of the plaques should be ok (re;4) Provided they are
the minimum size. (enlarge them to the size of the std "official"
ones.)
In dealing with the coast guard or state/local enforcement offcials,
I have noticed more "catch 22" stuff. (" yup, you have the right
plaque, but its the wrong size, that will be $x please" :) )
When in doubt, be to the letter of the law in these times.
Frank
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| 1675.6 | Pete-NEEDS PLAQUE | MEMORY::BURBINE | | Fri Mar 29 1991 13:21 | 7 |
| Pete,
send me your DEC mail stop and I will drop one of the trash
plaques in the mail to you. I just happen to have an extra one at
home.
Norm
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| 1675.7 | They are on the way | HAEXLI::PMAIER | | Thu Apr 04 1991 03:08 | 6 |
| Thanks Norm,
Federico is already sending me two plaques.
Peter
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| 1675.8 | laws on holding tanks | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 15:02 | 42 |
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OLDTMR::FRANCEY "M/L&CE SECG dtn 223-5427 pko3-1/d1" 16 lines 9-JUN-1992 10:12
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What's the law (in Falmouth Foreside and other Maine harbors) regarding
the requirement for having and using holding tanks? I have a '75
Pearson 26' w/o a holding tank.
Are there grandfather clauses such that I am not required to have one?
Do I have to stay out of areas where it is posted that dumping of
sewerage is not permitted or do I just have to refrain from using the
head in such areas?
Am I subject to inspection and fines for sailing w/o a holding tank?
Where and by whom - the CG, Harbor Masters?
Regards,
Ron
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| 1675.9 | Better lock your head door! | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 15:02 | 28 |
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The federal law requires all boats manufactured after 1978 to have a
legal system. It further required all boats manufactured prior to 1978
to be retrofitted with a legal head system by some date (like 1980).
The Coast Guard is the enforcer. Fines are big time, like $5000.
Legal were things like:
Type I - Lectrasan treatment system
Type II - Holding tank
If the system had the capability to pump overboard, that option had to
be "secured". I have heard "secured" ranges from locked with a padlock
to the handle removed from the Y valve
Local laws are on top of this. If all you have is direct overboard, you
are risking a big time fine. Don't know if any jail is possible, but
they are getting serious about marine heads.
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| 1675.10 | Maybe a warning the first time | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 15:08 | 46 |
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Two years ago I was boarded by the CG in the Narragansett Bay
between Newport and Conanicut Island.Three Gurdsman came aboard two
of them with handguns on their belts.They were very courteous but they
checked every piece of equipment I should have had on the boat,even
the piece of wood where my doc. number was carved on and was hidden out
of place.Anyway they found everything in order with the exception of
a holding tank which I didn't have at that time.They asked me when
I planned to put one in and I told them during that season.They wrote
that exactly as I said it in their check off list a copy of which I was
given.When I asked their leader what was going to happen do to that
discrepency he told me that their report will go in their computer and
by next season or later if I was boarded again and I didn't have a
holding tank when the new report was fed to the computer it would show that
I hadn't comply and I would be fined.He didn't say how much.
Another not related item that was worth noticing was when they checked
the bildge with a flashlight and they saw water and they acted like
they thought it was a lot of water.When I told them that it wasn't even
1/4" and I went on deck to bring back the mop to use the handle as
a meassuring stick one of the armed guys followed me up and every step
down below.I said it was worth noticing because of the location,it was
only me and my wife and they did not search the boat just inpected the
list items.And again maybe that's their procedure.
when the next report went into the computer
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| 1675.11 | yipes! $5,000??? | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 15:08 | 40 |
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OLDTMR::FRANCEY "M/L&CE SECG dtn 223-5427 pko3-1/d1" 30 lines 11-JUN-1992 13:56
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Yipes! Now I'm scared s______s!
Me thinks I better do something quickly!
Is the installation something a nerd-like-me can do easily? How much
time would you expect me to take to install such a beastie? How many
bucks? (It's a 26' Pearson).
I believe the current head has a y-valve and don't know if it has a
way to be locked but I'll look this weekend.
BTW, we got boarded by the CG on our way from Gloucester to Portland
and they wanted to know where our US Boater's Fee sticker was? I askem
them: "My what?" They said they weren't supposed to give out any more
warnings but gave me one anyway.
I'm so far behind (like 1 1/2 years) on my Cruising, BOAT/US, Practical
Sailor that I really didn't know the status of the law. I only knew
that BOAT/US was fighting for a repeal. I guess I found out by the
boarding that the repeal hasn't taken affect!!!
We rushed off a check to the USCG and got the sticker in the mail this
week.
All this is such a PITA!
Regards & thanks for the notes so far,
Ron
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| 1675.12 | quick fix | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 15:08 | 13 |
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>>>>>> Yipes! Now I'm scared s______s!
That seems to solve that problem then.
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| 1675.13 | | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 15:08 | 29 |
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UNIFIX::BERENS "Alan Berens" 20 lines 11-JUN-1992 16:50
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re .11:
Rigid holding tanks -- $60 or so for a small (six gallon) one, much more
for larger ones. Rough guess: average one gallon per flush.
Hose -- $2 to $2.50 per foot
Y-valve -- $35 to $40
pump -- $50 or more
Installation is not difficult, but it can be a real hassle mounting the
tank, running hoses, and the like. I built a fiberglass/epoxy coated
plywood tank that fits in our bilge (several days of work). Installation
was another day even with all of my workshop tools handy and the holes
to run the hoses under the sole already cut. Perhaps a couple of days
for a complete new installation when you've never done it before. Not a
project I'd choose to do with the boat afloat. You could close the
seacock, take the handle off, and buy a cedar bucket.
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| 1675.14 | Porta potti ? | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 15:08 | 15 |
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I have a 22' boat and passed a courtesy inspection with a porta
potti. I don't know if it would suffice for a 26 footer but it might
keep you out of trouble till you get the final solution worked out.
You would have to lock your old system while inshore.
Paul
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| 1675.15 | laws on porta potti? | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 15:08 | 24 |
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This porta potti sounds good to me. Is it legal for a 26' boat?
We leave almost every Friday evening for Jewell Island about 5 miles
off shore. Is this considered 5 miles off shore? In other words, how
does one measure the 3 mile limit?
Regards,
Ron
ps: this might seem stupid but what are the rules about dogs? No, No!
I don't mean regarding the porta potti or their throwing th y-valve; I
mean about letting them (as if I have a choice) do it on land?
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| 1675.16 | | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 15:08 | 16 |
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MAST::SCHUMANN "We've met the enemy, and he is us!" 6 lines 12-JUN-1992 10:03
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I've priced the pieces for a holding tank system (added to an existing head).
It adds up to $300-$400, depending on how fancy you want to make it.
That's using Boat US prices.
--RS
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| 1675.17 | 3 miles out from anything you can stand on. | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 15:25 | 21 |
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>>> We leave almost every Friday evening for Jewell Island about 5 miles
>>> off shore. Is this considered 5 miles off shore? In other words, how
>>> does one measure the 3 mile limit?
From any point of land exposed at mean high water. A rock the size of a
cardtable counts from a legal perspective. That means the Isles of
Shoals or Monhegan--and Jewell--are off limits to head discharge for three
miles out in any direction, for example, but you can pump the head legally
midway on your voyage back to the mainland.
J.
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