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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

1620.0. "Wanted: Cruising Live-aboard" by NUTMEG::KOLOGE () Fri Nov 02 1990 14:20

    WANTED: LIVE-ABOARD CRUISER
    
    We are looking for a live-aboard for two adults and a child. It need
    not be in Bristol condition but must be sound. It would have a nearly
    full keel -- some forefoot cut away -- and be strong enough to go
    offshore.  Wood and FRP are preferred, but we might consider steel.
    We have definite limits to our budget, so Swans and Hans Christians and
    others of that ilk are way out of our range.
    
    If wood:
    
    LOA: 35 - 42 feet
    LWL: 26 or more feet
    Beam: 10 - 11 feet
    Draft: 5 - 5'8" (might consider sightly more)
    Rig: Masthead cutter if on the 35-foot side, masthead yawl if on the
    42-foot side.  If yawl, it must balance under jib and mizzen; double
    headsails would be preferred
    
    If Fiberglas
    
    LOA: 32 - 38 feet
    LWL: 26 or more feet
    Beam: 10 - 11 feet
    Draft: 5 - 5'8"
    Rig: Masthead cutter, possibly masthead yawl
    
    Regardless of hull material:
    
    Max Mainsail area: 400 sq feet
    Displacement:  moderate to heavy
    Performance: Should at least move in light airs (7 - 10 knots) with
      working sails; or at worst with genoa; Reasonable windward ability
      (capable of 90 - 100 degree tacks)
      Balanced and able to be steered by a windvane
    Diesel engine 25 - 25 hp
    Minimum 18 inch side-decks
    No bowsprit or short bowsprit
    Lead keel
    Tankage for 80 or more gallons of water (ideally)
    Tiller steering preferred
    1 quarter berth, 1 double berth
    1 head with shower
    wire rigging
    self-draining cockpit
    
    Icing on the cake: self-tailing winches, windvane, propane cooking
    stove with oven, chart table
    
    Unacceptable: Centerboarder, gaff or fractional rigs, fin keels, light
    displacement
    
    Contact:  Brian Kologe DTN 264-0940;  after 6 pm or weekends
    508-388-2640 or MRKTNG::KOLOGE 
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1620.1CostSAGE::KOLOGEWed Nov 07 1990 10:164
    I should add that we are trying to keep the cost of the boat below
    $40K.
    
    Brian
1620.2Performance for 34' CruisersMEMORY::LAZGINThu Nov 08 1990 13:1610
    Your performance expections sound unrealistic !
    
    Has anyone seen a 34 ft.  offshore cuiser go 7 to 10 KNOTS in Light
    Wind...  (with only 400 sq ft of sail) ???   !!!
    
    
    Last winter I was on a Swan 50, designed to the IOR rules, and we
    'cruised'  at 7 knots in moderate air.
    
    Frank
1620.3Better be ready to surf/plane!!!!!ROYALT::FGZFred Genoese-Zerbi Vox Populi Suprema LexThu Nov 08 1990 13:503

Hull speed for a 34' is only ~7.8 Kn.!!!!!
1620.4correctionSAGE::KOLOGEThu Nov 08 1990 13:586
    Sorry for my lack of clarity. Not move at 7 to 10 knots in light airs,
    but overcome inertia in 7 to 10 knots of wind -- so it at least moves
    at a few knots in light airs. I'm may be a dreamer, but even I have
    limits...
    
    B.
1620.5Why?AKOV11::DJOHNSTONThu Nov 08 1990 16:568
    I understood what you meant.  The limiting factor is your insistence on
    a full keel.  By doing so, you are eliminating a whole range of
    production boats that meet everything else, including price, you are
    looking for.  A good example is the C&C 40.  Great volume of room
    below, plenty of speed, well built and available for your price range
    in many markets.  Why this full keel thing.  This IS the 20th century.
    
    Dave