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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

1471.0. "Anyone know electrical?" by BOSTP2::BEAU () Tue Apr 03 1990 17:34

    Help!! I disconnected my starter/generator from my VIRA-7 Westerbeke
    engine, and forgot to mark which of the connections is the
    hot, and which the ground.  
    
    There are two wires, the large one from the battery (red), and
    a smaller white one, which leads I think to the voltage
    regulator, I think.
    
    Since this is a starter/generator, is there a way of 
    telling (there must be, but an electrical engineer I'm not!!) which
    connection provides output voltage when the generator is 
    spinning, and which is the ground?  Also, is there any
    harm done just hooking up the two leads, if I have them 
    crossed? Will it burn anything (like the starter!!) out? 
    
    I have a voltage meter, and the starter is currently on my work bench.
    
    As an aside, let there be a simple lesson learned..if you can't put 
    it back together blind, mark before you disassemble!
    
    Thanks!
    
    Beau
    
    
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1471.1Charging ProblemOTOA01::MOWBRAYfrom NewfoundlandTue Jul 02 1991 10:0928
    I also have a "dynastart" on my boat.  It is a combination starter and
    generator in one unit.  I am concerned about the fact that it does not
    seem to be charging though.  I just spent a considerable amount of time
    with the engine on over the last (long) weekend (prob 40hours) and at
    the end the batteries were flat !
    
    From the reading that I have done so far, I have come up with the
    following info:
    
    1. This generator seems to output about a max of 140 Watts Vs. 450 that
    would be output by the alternator option for this engine.
    
    2. Generators seem more sensitive to RPM's than Alternators and I
    probably ran the engine at low revs for most/all of the time.
    
    Point 2 seems to be borne out by the fact that I revved up the engine
    at one point to 2200 RPM and was able to start the heater (which has a
    low voltage cut out) .... the heater would not start at lower RPM's
    
    The engine is a Volvo MD2D fitted with the "Dynastart" option.  I would
    be interested in some suggestions that would help me  address this
    problem.
    
    P.s. both batteries are fairly new... they have been stored ashore
    during the winter and were fully charged on land before they were
    installed.  I believe that they are not part of the problem.
    
    Thanks   Graham.
1471.2OTOA01::MOWBRAYfrom NewfoundlandThu Jul 04 1991 15:0310
    Just to clarify why I placed the note here, I was hoping that someone
    out there could point to the probable cause of the charging problem.  
    
    My guesses are either that it has to do with the Revs of the engine or
    it is a problem with the unit itself.  If it is the unit, what would be
    the most probable failed component ?
    
    If anyone can shed light on this I would appreciate it. 
    
    Graham
1471.3check fuseHAEXLI::PMAIERFri Jul 05 1991 03:1425
    In the service manual of the Volvo Penta is a diagramm of the
    Dynastart.(My manual is on the boat,I will have a look next sunday)
    
    I would recommand to install one of this cheap car-amperemeters and
    voltmeter.Its easy done and you have an indication what your charger
    /batterie is doing.(low rev for instance)
    
    A Dynastart is (if my memory is correct) a DC generator which
    can be used as a starter motor.
    
    Probable causes: Fuse ! Volvo Penta is using a special fuse holder
    somewhere on the engine block.It has 4 faston tabs on one side and
    one  faston tab on the other side.There are 4 fuses (small wires)
    inside.Only one of the 4 faston is used.You have 3 spare fuses.
    I have removed this fuse holder on my engine and replaced it with
    a normal fuse.To often it did not make contact.Using a different tab
    did not help.Probably the central connecting point was corroded.
    
    Another problem could be the regulator.A DC regulator is working
    similar like an alternator regulator.The  difference: the DC
    regulator is switching much higher currents and fails more often.
    In its easiest version it is some sort of relay with a few resistors
    and coils.
    
    Peter
1471.4HAEXLI::PMAIERMon Jul 08 1991 11:245
    Sorry,my manual does not include the Dynastart anymore.I used to have
    a MD2B.I gave the manual with my boat away and the Dynastart is not
    included in the manual of the bigger motor (MD17D) anymore.
    
    Peter