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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

1431.0. "wooden boat in South -- advice?" by ISLNDS::BAHLIN () Fri Jan 19 1990 13:51

    I'm pursuing jobs in the South, specifically Florida.   I own a
    carvel planked, 52 year old cutter.   The hull is copper riveted
    teak on oak frames and she has spent the last 30 years (a guess)
    in the Gulf of Maine.
    
    I'm concerned about exposing her to southern waters and a semi-tropical
    climate.   I've read quite a bit about the wisdom (or lack thereof)
    of bringing a wooden boat to these waters but I also don't have
    a lot of choice in the matter.   So assuming it's going south with
    me, what do I need to ensure that I don't put her in peril?
    
    I'm particularly worried about what I need to do to the hull below
    the waterline as I've not found a lot of information on this.
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1431.1Teredo!AIADM::SPENCERJohn SpencerMon Jan 22 1990 12:5717
Perhaps the biggest of your concerns wiil be the teredo.  These worms 
enter wood from the surface at any even slightly unprotected point, and 
then live inside the wood, slowly eating away all but the surface in time. 
Chances are you can see graphic evidence of this by looking at a piling or 
other wooden structure that's been in Florida waters for a decade or so -- 
a quite gentle bump from a 30' pulling boat (2+ tons) once broke a 10"
piling, it was so far gone. 

Copper sheathing, perhaps?  ;-)  Seriously, you'll just have to be very 
careful and diligent about your bottom paint.  There are some wooden boats
in Florida, some quite advanced in years, but only those whose owners
loved and took care of them. 

J.

P.S.  If you end up in the Keys, perchance, I can recommend a man who knows 
a lot about these problems, and who can suggest some local solutions.
1431.2PAINT-PAINT-PAINTDUGGAN::PARKERTue Jan 23 1990 11:1717
    as in .1 the bottom paint is most important. Keep it on, keep it thick.
    A shoe for the keel may also be a thought to consider as it will be the
    first place you will touch and if you have much draft and go for the
    Gulf side you may be touching quite often.
    The paint and varnish on the topsides and in particular the deck and
    coachroof will also be subjected to sun longer and stronger than they
    are used to now. Again you must keep up the protection. Don't let it go
    the sun will not let you off easily. Two of my friends, one in Key West
    and the other in Tampa kept a slow stream of water runnng on the decks
    during the summer to keep the planks swelled! Every boat I've seen has
    covers for all the brightwork.
    Barnacles will also like the warm water and grow faster and bigger than
    up here so again bottom paint with a "tropical" formula.
    
    But you can swim yearround and if you live on the Atlantic side go to
    the Bahamas for Christmas vacation!
    
1431.3Check out Donald Street's booksRAINBO::BURRMon Jan 29 1990 19:1229
    My understanding is that you should not have too much trouble with worms
    in your teak as terado's apparently don't like it.  However, if your
    keel and deadwood are oak you should probably think seriously about
    copper sheething from the garboard down.  Terados probably deserve
    their reputation.  
    
    As note .2 said, you will most likely have a lot of trouble keeping
    your decks tight.  If you have solid teak decks and the caulking has
    not been renewed lately, you should plan to either re-caulk the decks
    of learn to live with leaks.
    
    When I was on vacation on Tortola a while back, I had the opportunity
    to spend some time talking with the owner of White Cloud II, a 90+ foot
    teak schooner of uncertain age.  The owner said that electrolosis is
    much more of a problem in Carribean waters than it is up north.  He
    also said that he finds that he has to pack his bilges with salt to
    prevent rot in the keel and frame ends.  He ripped out the ceilings
    throughout the boat when he got to the tropics, cleaned everything out
    and replaced the ceilings with 2" wide Port Oreford cedar planks spaced
    1/4" apart to ensure proper ventalation to the frames ---also to
    prevent rot in the oak.  Finally, he said that he has to renew the
    varnish at least twice per year in spite of the fact that he uses a
    tropical formulation of varnish with lots of UV filters.
    
    Donald Street has written several good books and articles about upkeep
    on wooden boats in the tropics.  One, The Ocean Going Sailing Yacht
    from (I guess) the mid sixtys has a long section on tropical
    maintenance.
    
1431.4My experiences with owning a woodie in the Keys RAA::VENNEThu Feb 08 1990 12:2631
We bought a 30-year old 42 ft. wooden ketch in Maine four years ago and went 
south with her.  We sold her recently and she's still in Key West, getting 
ready for a chartering career.  

The other replies were correct about bottom painting more often, and checking 
for teredos -- you should be able to see worm holes.  Also, check the seams 
in the carvel planking.  That's where they'll get in.

You'll love the water down there.  Even at most marinas, the water is 
incredibly clear.  A lot of fish use marinas as their nurseries and hunting
grounds, too. You'll see everything from tarpon and barracuda raising their
young to porpoises feeding. 

The problems we had were mildew (not enough ventilation) and cockroaches.  
They'll walk, fly, jump, and crawl over your mooring lines.  Keep your boat
as clean as you can!  Also, watch out for scorpions under things on the dock.

Other problems include UV (use sailcovers!), and keeping your engine running
cool.  Also, Coasties, Florida Marine Patrol (FMP), and Customs are regular 
visitors aboard (at all hours of the day and night, mind you).  Also, even
federally documented boats need to register with the state of Florida.  
We had a little dispute about that, but were unavoidably coerced into 
paying state fees.  

Otherwise, it's a blast cruising down there.  If you are bringing your boat
down, porpoises will join you in the Carolinas.  Sharks are with you way 
out and inshore, but the barracuda are the most curious and will swim 
right up to you to check you out.  Baby porpoises will swing by, but the 
adults in a pod will head away from you.  

The grouper, grunts, and snapper are out -of-this-world delicious.  Have fun!