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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

1387.0. "Windward sheeting traveler" by AHOUSE::GREIST () Wed Nov 08 1989 11:12

I am thinking of replacing the traveler on my 26' sloop with a Harken
windward sheeting traveler.  Present traveler has no mechanical advantage.
The car is positioned by hand and kept in place with pin stops.  To
change the position you first set the windward stop pin then pull the 
car up and reposition the leeward stop before letting go of the car.
The order is some what changed to ease the car.  This gets to be
quite awkward if not physically impossible for the lighter crew
members in a good blow.  When tacking along a narrow Colorado lake
the tacks can come every minute or two for for an hour.

The 2:1 advantage of the new system should be enough for my small boat.  
The simplicity of not having to release the leeward traveler sheet
before pulling the car to windward seems to make good sense for the
tacking duels we get into with the wind.

Anybody ever tried one?  Will it work as well as I expect?

Al
Windstrong

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1387.1MOOV00::KEENANPAUL KEENAN DTN 297-7332Wed Nov 08 1989 11:378
    I've used one. It works GREAT! 
    
    Just ask yourself if it's worth $200. to avoid cleating the leeward
    traveler line before you tack and uncleating the windward line during
    the tack. Many people say yes, my wallet said no.
    
    -Paul

1387.2racing justificationMPGS::SSMITHWed Nov 08 1989 16:519
    I priced systems with a normal harken traveler and the windward
    sheeting model.  The whole thing came out around $160 normal and
    $225 with the windward.  Even on serious racing J24s most people
    stick with the simple system as not being too slow -- the primary
    driver in selecting the system is keeping the weight on the rail
    during upwind legs.
    
    

1387.3Cheap solutionSTEREO::HOWed Nov 08 1989 16:5110
    The same effect can be achieved by having the traveler control lines
    cleated at each side of the boat as normal but then TYING THE TAILS
    OF THE CONTROL LINES TOGETHER.  You can then release and pull the
    traveler car up from the weather rail without moving down to leeward.
    
    I do that on my Etchells.  Works very well and saves the cost of
    the fancy car which isn't compatible with my system anyway.
    
    - gene

1387.4Gene's rightAKOV12::DJOHNSTONThu Nov 09 1989 08:338
    I confirm Gene's comment.  Rather than tying the lines together, make
    it one continuous line that ties onto one end of the traveller car,
    goes to the cleat (with a bale on top to hold the line in place),
    across the cockpit and through the bale on the opposite side and to the
    other end of the traveller car.  Works great in most conditions.
    
    Dave

1387.5I'll third that opinion ...BOOKS::BAILEYBCrazy in the sunlight, yes indeed!Thu Nov 09 1989 09:479
    RE .3 and .4
    
    Yup, Harken windward sheeting traveller with continuous line is the way
    to go.  We put that set-up on WAGS this season and it proved itself
    worth the $$.  Make's quick tacking much easier.
    
    ... Bob
    

1387.6What to do?AHOUSE::GREISTWed Nov 15 1989 16:1315
	Thanks for all the opinions.  I hadn't considered rigging the
	exisiting traveler with a continuous line to get approximatly
	the same control.

	With that set up, what happens to the old leeward control line during
	a tack to keep the traveler from running to the end of the track?
		Do you reach across the cockpit just before the tack and
		cleat it?
		Do you grab it as you move across the cockpit during the 
		tack?
		Or am I missing something in the operating proceedure?

	Al

1387.7Snug then flickAKOV12::DJOHNSTONWed Nov 15 1989 17:268
    No, you're not missing anything.  Just grab the old leeward/new
    windward control line as you cross.  The main will be into the breeze
    with no pressure on it anyway.  At the same time flick your wrist to
    free up the old windward/new leeward line from the cleat it is in.  
    This is the advantage of the continuous line.
    
    Dave

1387.8MFGMEM::KEENANPAUL KEENAN DTN 297-7332Thu Nov 16 1989 09:083
    Another way - when the jib trimmer goes to leeward to release the jib, 
    he cleats the leeward traveler line also.