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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
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Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

1345.0. "1X19 SS wire rope question" by JUPITR::KTISTAKIS (Mike K.) Wed Sep 13 1989 14:57

    Could anybody tell me which stailness steel 1X19 wire rope is better
    for standing rigging between SS # 302 and #316?
    I can get the following American made 1X19 wire rope for:
    
      SS #        Wire diam.      price
      302           9/32          $ 1.10
      316            "            $ 1.34.
    I understand that the more expensive,usually the better,the question
    is about the application.The Vendor I talked to, said that the 302
    is  used mostly in Marine applications.I rather use the 316 if it
    can be used for rigging.
    By the way the price can come further down if I can get an extra
    200' besides my needs.Anyone interested? 
    
                       
    
       

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1345.1Money is better than...AKOV12::BILLINGSMon Sep 18 1989 16:4333
    If I remember correctly, the #'s 302/316 refer to the alloy used in the
    construction of the wire, and do not significantly impact its nominal
    strength for one vs the other.  The main differences are in the corrosion
    resistance, for which 316 is the more resistant, and in the price.
    
    Some years ago, I became curious regarding the real difference between
    the two, and suspended short sections of each from a tidal piling
    (alternately submerging salt water and air dry).  At the end of several
    months could discern no visual difference in the levels of rust or
    cuprous corrosion (both minimal), and as a result determined that all 
    advice I had had to stick with 302 was probably well founded, especially 
    when price was considered.  I have also never had a shroud break directly 
    as a result of a tension failure.
    
    Since most of the rigging failures I have seen were the result of
    structural mast design, use or construction weakness, or the direct failure
    of a turnbuckle, pin or swaged fitting, I would not consider the 316 a
    worthwhile option.  In addition, most available swage fittings are type
    302/304 ss anyway (unless things have changed radically in the last few
    years), so 316 shrouds wouldn't really buy much if failure resistance is 
    what you're after.
    
    By the way, most of the rust, corrosion etc. you are likely to see
    between strands of twisted ss wire or at junctures with swage fittings
    are not from the wire or fittings themselves, but from filings,
    scrapings or other free floating impurities picked up in the manufac-
    turing, transportation or storage process (even the swaging process
    itself creates these slivers).
    
    Relax and spend the extra money elswhere on something you didn't expect
    to have the cash for.  Its always a pleasant surprise to have spent
    less than planned on a boat.

1345.2302/304 it isJUPITR::KTISTAKISMike K.Wed Sep 20 1989 17:247
    re.1:
    You are right.I'll go with the 302 or 304.By the way I was told
    by a supplier that the 316 has less strenth than the 302/304 but
    is better from both if used in acids.
    Thanks .