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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

1310.0. "How to Sell a Boat" by NAC::R_MCGARRY () Fri Aug 18 1989 16:33

    
    
    
    
    	I would like to know what is the best way to 
    	sell a boat.
    
    	o what is the best way to advertize it and
    	  get the most results.
    
    	o how to find out the value at what to sell
    	  it at.
    
    	o how to show the boat to a buyer.
    
    	o how long does it take to sell it and when
    	  is the best time to sell it.
    
    	o what is the experience of noters who have
    	  have used and have not use brokers.
    
    	o what are the minimum extras that should be
    	  included if I want to trade up.
    
    	o what has the response been from the for sale
    	  adds entered in the notes file.
    
    

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1310.1Pointer to article....SAILBT::HEARNSFletcher Hearns.....Lets S*A*I*L...DTN 291-8423Mon Aug 21 1989 09:216
	There is an article in this months "Crusing World" about selling your
	boat. Might want to look at it.

				fletcher

1310.2That dependsNETMAN::CARTERMon Aug 21 1989 14:3867
    Interesting question, "What's the best way to sell a boat?"  I'm
    glad I'm not trying to sell my boat right now.
                            
    Some of the questions you have to answer for yourself are-
    
    Do you want to hold out for top dollar?  It's a buyer's market now.
    Unless you have a unique boat and a buyer looking for that particular
    unique boat, you may own the boat for a long time.
    
    If you're looking to get a larger boat, is it worth your while to
    trade up?  You won't get top dollar, at least as bad a deal as
    when you trade a car, but you will own only one boat.  If you live
    in a state with a sales tax, the tax is usually computed on the
    purchase price, minus the value of the trade-in.
    
    If you haven't already committed to buying a new boat and might
    be considering selling-outright or trading, try running an ad in
    a boating magazine or a Want-Ad type of publication.  See what type
    of response you get. 
    
    How did you come to buy the boat you have now?  Is that the same
    way to sell it?
    
    How much will you have to pay to store your boat while you try to
    sell it?
    
    I have sold two used sailboats in the last couple of years.  One,
    a 16 foot Compac, I sold outright.  The value of the boat was low
    enough, around $4000, I was willing to sit on it a while.  And I
    did.  Advertising in the Want-Advertiser in Massachusetts cost nothing,
    yielded nothing.  Small Boat Journal, cost something for every month
    the ad runs, yielded me nothing.  Offshore magazine cost something
    one time, the ad runs till you pull it-if you're vigilant and keep renewing
    the ad.  The boat eventually sold to a man from N.Y. state, for
    about what I wanted.  Storage for the boat cost me nothing.  It
    was on a trailer in my yard.
    
    The second boat I traded.  This one wasn't a lot more valuable $10,000,
    but was a special-interest type of boat.  A Freedom 21.  People
    don't buy any Garry Hoyt designed Freedom as an alternative to just
    any sloop.  A person who owns a Freedom went looking to buy one.  I
    wasn't willing to wait to find that person.  Storage on this would
    have cost me something every month.  It was on a cradle at a marina.
    
    I never tried to sell a boat using broker.  When I went looking to buy
    a boat I talked to lots of brokers.  But I didn't buy a brokerage boat.  
    
    I haven't sold a boat through this notes file, but know of people
    who have bought boats here, and sold boats here.  
    
    You asked a very vague question.  Some boats sell better than others.
    Some brands of boats sell better than other brands.  Catalinas are
    usually like Volkswagens when it comes time to buy or sell.  Lots
    available-and lots of buyers.  The best way to sell *your* boat is
    going to depend on where you are.  What condition the boat is in. The 
    condition of the boat market in your locale.  How quickly you want
    to/must move it. 
    
    Good luck on selling.  Let us know how you fare.
    
    djc
    
     
    yielded nothing.
    Offshore cost something 
    

1310.3I got luckyNAC::P_RICKARDThu Aug 24 1989 18:4143
    I sold by Freedom 32 last October which sometimes still surprises
    me when I think about the used boat market.  
    
    I tried selling it in 1985, advertized in Sail Mag, Soundings, and
    some of those used boat listing services.  I also had it listed
    at the yacht brokerage at the Bend Boat Basin in Portsmouth RI.
    I think I got one call, but Freedoms were still  pretty new back then.
    
    This time I put an ad in our Freedom 32 newsletter and a friend
    and fellow F32 owner told one of his friends, a Freedom 25 and Freedom
    30 owner,  that mine was for sale.  Since he had recently been married
    and the new wife wanted larger accomodations, they had started to
    look at the 32s.  Fortunately I had kept my boat in immaculate
    condition. I had also upgraded it for single handed sailing and
    had installed new heavy duty batteries and alternator.  It was in
    top shape compare to the other 32s on the market at the same time
    and I knew it.  
    
    Pricing was easy.  I looked at what other people were asking, compared
    it to what I had paid for the boat less about 10% depreciation per
    year and got a figure that was in the same ballpark as all the others.
    I looked at my loan balance and the appraisal that had been done
    the previous year and figured out the bottom line.  When we finally
    got to the negotiations I refused to go below by bottom line and
    came out with a very good price.  I also had no idea that I'd really
    sell the boat and since I wasn't all that anxious to sell in the
    first place he didn't quibble about my counter offer.
    
    One thing I learned from the buyer was that it doesn't pay to try
    to hide things.  I happen to be overly open and honest about stuff
    and showed him various repairs and the surveys that had been done.
    He had had other f32 owners lie to him about problems and backed
    out of a deal with one of those people in order to buy my boat.
    
    If you have any other questions, Richard, come on up and we can
    talk!
    
    Pam Rickard
    
    P.S. They say the 2 happiest days in a sailor's life are the day
    she buys a boat and the day she sells it and I can now say that
    that is the truth!  

1310.4sometimes its just by chanceTOLKIN::DEMOSSWed Sep 06 1989 13:0114
    
    I hung a sign on mine one day because the kids didn't want to go
    the following week!!  I had a '76 MacGreagor Venture that we sailed
    in Salem harbor and about.  When th person called that week I almost
    told him that it was a joke but wisely sugested about $500 dollers
    over what other MacGreagors were being offered at, & three weeks
    later I was with out a boat!!!  To this day I still consider myself
    as one of the lucky ones.  I dont recomend that type of sales tactic
    for everyone but, anything that works........       Now what was
    that note number for the For Sale.......  8^)
    
    `Charlie'
    

1310.5one seller's experiencesDNEAST::BELTON_TRAVITravis BeltonTue May 22 1990 08:5846
    I just finished selling my boat and can share my experiences.  I hung
    For Sale signs on my Cape Dory 22 starting last August when she was on 
    her mooring.  I put up a picture and information on the marina's
    bulletin board (this is a small marina in Casco Bay, Maine).  I put ads
    in the local "want advertiser", as well as the Portland paper the week
    of the Fall boatshow.  And I put a note in Sailing Notes.  The
    newspaper ad yielded one lead who I took for a short sail.  He loved
    the boat, but bought a CD22 from the local CD dealer because they had one
    with an inboard diesel (mine is O/B).  The other ads yielded just one 
    other phone call, who never came to look at the boat.
    
    For $35 I ran an ad with picture in Offshore using their guarantee to
    keep running it until the boat sells.  Their leadtime for classifieds
    is such that this didn't start until November.  No calls from this,
    except the multiple listing brokers trying to get me to list with them
    for $100-240.  For another $35 I also ran a 3 month ad in Soundings in
    April-June this year.  Only one call from this, and by then I'd already
    sold her.
    
    A week after placing the ad in Soundings this spring a local fellow who
    had seen my ad on the marina bulletin board called to say he'd like to
    buy my boat.  He had stopped by while we were putting the cover on her
    last fall and I'd handed him a Listing sheet I'd made out.  He looked
    her over again, made me an offer (20% below what I wanted), I countered
    5% higher, and he agreed.
    
    The local CD dealer had two other CD22's, but I was confident mine
    would sell well against them because mine looked pretty good.  I kept
    the teak up and waxed and waxed the hull and cleaned the interior.  A
    clean boat will sell before a dirty one, and in today's market that
    means my boat sold and the ones at the dealer are still stitting there.
    
    Even though most of my ads yielded nothing, I'd still place ads in
    all the places I used.  Try every conceivable place.  I opted not to
    use the multi-listing brokers, too expensive and I think I remember
    some negative things about them in Practical Sailor.  You might want to
    check this out yourself.  There are only a few buyers out there for any
    given boat, so you have to first let them know your boat is available
    and then make your boat as attractive to them as possible.
    
    Another option I was going to pursue if all else failed was to trade
    her in on my next boat.  I had several opportunities to do this over
    the winter as I was looking at bigger boats.  The big disadvantage here
    is that you have less room to bargain with a seller if you're asking
    him to accept your boat for trade in.