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Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

1234.0. "Opinions on O'Day 192" by GSFSWS::JSMITH (I Bike Solo II) Tue Jun 06 1989 13:32

    	I'm looking for a compromise.  A small, trailerable
    boat that would be equally at home crusing Block Island Sound
    or a small N.H. Lake.  It would need to sleep at least two
    adults comfortably, but not longer than an extended weekend.
    This weekend I saw what looked to be a perfect match.  An
    Oday 192.  Does anyone have any information on this hull that
    they would like to share with respect to my requirements.
    I live in N.H. but have relatives in Mystic, Ct. where I
    would like to spend a lot of time in the summer with my
    kids so the boat would be towed back and forth a lot and
    used as a camper on the weekends for jaunts out to Fishers 
    Island, possibly Block Island and Orient Point if it's capable
    enough.  Any opinions on other suitable hulls that fit these
    desires would also be apprecitated.  Thanks in advance.
    
    					Jerry

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1234.1One opinionCDR::SPENCERJohn SpencerTue Jun 06 1989 13:5731
My brother-in-law keeps an O'Day 192 -- another "Halcyon"  :-( -- at 
DeMilla's in Portland, which we sailed just this past Saturday around the 
Diamonds in Casco Bay.

The hull is pretty good, for that size of craft and accommodation level, 
and is pretty well built, it seems.  The layout is very workable, and the 
cockpit quite comfortable.  That's the good news.

Unfortunately, the rig is pretty Mickey Mouse.  Main sheeting is from the 
backstay, and mounted high enough to clear tiller and cockpit activity, 
but also high enough that there's little vanging value.  The roller 
furling jib is point-sheeted, and also very much on the flimsy side. 
Fittings are apparently lightest weight stainless, and over the three
years he's had the boat, Jack's bent/lost/broken a good many of them. 
Were I to decide it was the boat of my dream, I'd sooner or later have to
spend the money and rerig. 

The rudder is a hinged affair, which one lashes in the down position.  
Since the articulated part of the rudder floats, you can't unlash it just 
in case you hit something, unless you want 2.5 ft of rudder trailing 
behind.  Again, not all that well engineered from my p.o.v., but then 
I don't focus on trailering ease as a primary concern.  

Sail one and see for yourself; there are quite a few for sale on the used 
market, I hear.  For comparison, check back issues of Small Boat Journal 
--  about every third issue they run a small cruising boat comparison, and 
in the past two or three years have covered dozens of boats you might find 
potentially interesting to consider.

J.

1234.2 Consider a COM-PAC yacht or ...MSCSSE::FRENCHTue Jun 06 1989 17:4442
    As one who owns a 19' boat with similar purposes in mind, I would
    recommend you look at the 19' COM-PAC Yacht. I have owned a COM-PAC
   19 -II (20 foot w/ bowsprit), since 1985, which is when they began
    making the 19-II. Earlier models are 19' and do not have the bowsprit
    and soem of the other detailing, but are otherwise the same boat.
    
    The COM-PAC Yachts are ruggedly built - I have not seen another
    19' as solid. They are a very stable boat with 800 lbs of ballast
    (40% of total displacement) in a fixed shoal draft keel, which only
    draws 2 feet. They probably don't win any prizes in pointing ability,
    but unless you are racing, that shouldn't be a big deal for your
    application. We weekend several times a year with our 2 teen agers
    - (yes, that is very cozy) on Lake Winnipesaukee.
    
    This is a heavy boat to tow for a 19' The boat is 2000 lbs, plus
    gear, plus trailer. You would not want to try to tow it with a small
    car. My Isuzu Trooper (with small 4 cylinder) is barely adequate
    to tow it up to the lake in the spring and home agian in the fall.
    
    I know of mayn very satisfied COM-PAC owners. You will usually find
    several used oned advertised in OFFSHORE. Fernald's in Newburyport
    Mass is a dealer. They are produced by Hutchins Co. In Clearwater
    Fla. My 1981 CON-PAC 16 was serial # 1633 and my 1985 COM-PAC 19-II
    is serial # 311. COM-PAC also produces a 23' and a 27' model.
    
    The newer Mark-II models in 19' and above have kitchenette modules
    (of sorts) available.
    
    Other boats in this size I would also consider include the West
    Wight Potter.
    
    A good paperback you might pick up (Large - 8.5x11 size) is titled
    something like "Cruising on a Micro Budget" It surveys many of the
    micro cruisers.  It has been advertized
    by Dolphin book club as well as the book outlet in Camden Me.
    I think I have also seen it in local bookstores.
    
    Happy sailing. Let us know what you wind up with.

    Bill
    

1234.3MarinerCSSE32::BLAISDELLWed Jun 07 1989 09:5515
The O'Day 19 replaced the Mariner (the 192 may be a second generation
replacement) and the Mariner was based on the Rhodes 19 hull. The Rhodes 19
and Mariner are now built by Stuart Marine in Maine and you may wish to check
with them. I haven't seen a Stuart built Mariner, but the Stuart Rhodes looks
to me to be a high quality boat. Certainly the Rhodes hull is a very proven
design and I know the Mariner was also very popular. The sailing club I used
to sail with had one Mariner and I know the owners were very pleased with
their boat, often travelled with it, and were also unimpressed by its
successor. 

The Rhodes 19 is offered in keel and centerboard versions, I'm not sure what 
is offered on the Mariner. 

- Bob

1234.4Good Input...thanksGSFSWS::JSMITHI Bike Solo IIThu Jun 08 1989 09:397
    	Thanks for the information.  After reading in another note that
    O'day is going out of business I'm a little skeptical of purchasing
    one of their boats.  I still have a lot to learn and discover before
    making a final selection and your input has really helped.
    
    						Jerry