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Title:SAILING
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Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
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1040.0. "Frostbiting" by NRPUR::DUFFY () Tue Nov 08 1988 14:58



    Haven't you always dreamed of racing an Interclub dingy around
    Marblehead Harbor in the dead of winter?  Of course you have!!

    The Marblehead Frostbite Sailing fall season officially starts this
    weekend with our annual Fall Regatta.  Skippers, crews, and spectators
    are all welcome.  There are boats available to buy or charter.  If you
    have a boat to sell or charter, we want to know that too.

    For more information, please send me mail at ISWS::DUFFY.

    
    Cathy Duffy
        

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1040.1Interested!AKOV12::DJOHNSTONTue Nov 08 1988 16:409
    How much does it cost to charter?  There is a lot of good competition
    frostbiting in the harbor.  Mark lindsay, Judd Smith and others
    come to mind.
    
    Our MIT main trimmer is frostbiting Lasers in Newport.  Lasers!
    Now that's nuts.
    
    Dave

1040.2MORE INFONRPUR::DUFFYThu Nov 10 1988 15:1329
    
    The cost of chartering is not a stable thing.  It depends entirely
    on the situation.  The cost may be that you buy a new sail, or that
    you do some work on the boat, or it may be cash.  In any case, the
    value usually ends up being somewhere between $200 and $350.
    
    Another inexpensive option is to share a boat with someone who wants
    to spend part of the season skiing (or non-sailing).  There always
    seem to be boats left in the parking lot during racing... we'd prefer
    that they were in the water.  "The more the merrier"
    
    Regarding the level of competition, we have all levels; from olympic
    class to beginners.  This year (especially in the fall) we are planning
    to have seminars where the top skippers and crews coach all comers
    on boat handling, sail trim, proper dress for the weather conditions,
    etc.
    
    We feel that in past years there may have been too much emphasis
    on competition and not enough on having fun.  This year we have
    a new set of officers and the emphasis is shifting back to enjoyment.
    In addition to the racing and seminars, there are more social events
    planned for this year.
    
    We'd really like to increase both membership and participation.
    If you're interested in joining the club or getting on the mailing
    list (I publish a monthly newsletter) let me know.  We'd love to
    have you join in the fun!
    

1040.3Sail a Cape Cod Frosty!PALMER::PALMERhalf a bubble off plumbMon Nov 14 1988 13:2919
    	If you want to frostbite sail, do it in the class designed
    EXCLUSIVELY for winter sailing, the Cape Cod Frosty.  It is a small
    lanteen rigged pram about 6 feet long.  The plans are available
    for about $20 and the boat is built out of two sheets of marine
    plywood.  If your not a handy person, a boat can be bought for
    $300-$900 depending on racing quality.  Sails are available for
    $100 (Dacron) to $400? for Mylar sails.
    	The people who race have fun but take it quite seriously.  It
    is very cramped sailing but the competition is very good.  Races are
    typically in an inner harbor with lots of chase boats to pluck unlucky
    sailors from the sea.
    	I've only sailed a Frosty when the temperature was in the 80's.
    I'm a big person (6'1" 190lbs) and could fit in and tack the boat
    around.  I like to sail, but not as much as I like to stay warm.
    If people are interested I'll try to find out who to contact for
    class rules.  The only location that I know where they sail is in
    Hyannis Harbor.
    

1040.4Frostbiting is fun!CSG001::HOPKINSWed Nov 16 1988 18:206
    I've just joined the Marblehead fleet after buying a used boat and
    really had a great time last weekend on my first time out.  Do it!
    You may have to buy (used or new) to find a boat because Interclub
    frostbiting is catching on all up and down the East Coast, but the
    resale values are stable because the boats never wear out.

1040.5Anyone want half a frostbite dinghy?STEREO::HOFri Oct 20 1989 18:0016
    I'm toying with the idea of recommissionnig SLOW BOAT TO CHINA,
    my frostbite dinghy for the upcoming season.  But having blown the
    entire summer sailing the Etchells, things around the house have
    been neglected and I expect to have difficulty getting permission
    to sail as often as I'd like.
    
    If anyone is interested in using the boat half the time in exchange
    for picking up half the $250 fee, let me know.  SBTC is old but
    minumum weight.  The mast is new and the sail only has a few races
    on it.  We should be able to get it up to speed with not much tweaking.
    Races are Sunday afternoons in Marblehead and at regattas throughout
    the season.  I've got a good trailer if there's interest in doing
    some regatta sailing.
    
    - gene

1040.6Frostbitting PrimerSTEREO::HOMon Oct 23 1989 19:38100
    In response to several inquiries for information on frostbiting
    the following information is offered to potential participants to
    let 'em know what there really in for.
    
    THE BOAT - The interclub dinghy was designed in the late '40s by
    Sparkman and Stevens for winter sailing on Long Islang Sound.  The
    original models were molded plywood with 72 sq. ft. of sail on a
    cat rig.  Many of these are still in use at Larchmont NY.  Quite
    an attractive boat if wood turns you on.  The stopped making these
    in the early fifties.  If you want one of these, you must buy from
    a current owner and sail in the Larchmont fleet.  The rest of the
    world makes do with the fiberglass version which, in the opinion
    of many, is one of the most esthetically displeasing objects that
    can float.  They're not called interTUBS for nothing.
    
    True to the nickname, an interclub looks like bathtub with a sail
    on it.  The bow is plumb but sharp with rounded bilges which taper
    to a fuller section as you go towards the stern.  Aft of the center
    board trunk the hull bottom flattens out.  The centerboard and rudder
    are laminated NACA sections the condition of which owners lavish 
    a great deal of care.  You would too since about $500 of the boats
    value is in the blades.  There usually custom made by Mark Lindsey's
    Boatworks.  Sail controls are outhaul, vang, cunningham, and sheet.
    A one part mainsheet is adequate.  Control lines for the others
    are often led port an starboard and usually appear complex to those
    not used to racing dinghys.  The minimum weight is 250 lbs.  There
    is quite a bit of variation from boat to boat.  Some will say
    otherwise, but I can't tell the difference in sailing a light vs
    a heavy boat.  Unlike a Laser, an Interclub is a displacement dinghy
    which almost never planes.  With a small sail and a crew weight
    in excess of the hull weight, a few lbs. of fiberglass over or under
    has a negligible effect on performance.  However, tuning is important
    and will dramatically affect boatspeed.  As will the subtle nuances
    of boathandling.  The crew and skipper do have to learn to work
    together (roll tacks, weight placement).
    
    WHERE IT'S DONE - The venues that I know of are: Marblehead, Scituate,
    Duxbury, Newport, Essex Conn., Larchmont NY, Manhasset Bay NY, and
    Rochester NY.  The season runs roughly from the first weekend in
    November to mid April.  Most fleets make a point of racing on New
    Years Day.  A national championship is held in mid April.
    
    EQUIPMENT NEEDED - Besides the boat, good lifejackets.  The Omega
    short waisted model or equivalent is good.  The typical orange $3
    around the neck type is totally inadequate.  In addition to keeping
    the wearer afloat, the lifejacket also provides considerable warmth.
    This bring up the most important consideration - keeping warm and
    dry while still retaining agility.  Some kind of foul weather gear
    is always needed.  Some just use their summer gear with long johns
    and lots of wool and pile clothing underneath.  About 25% of
    frostbiters now use windsurfing dry suits.  These cost about $250+
    and let you resume sailing if you capsize.  Otherwise, the race
    committee will take you to a warm place immediately.  One added
    advantage of a drysuit is that it makes launching and hauling the
    boat easier.  Just roll the boat down the ramp, walk right into
    the water and jump in.  The drysuits have integral boots.  If using
    regular foul weather gear, good sea boots are a must.  Cold hands
    are always a problem.  Neoprene work gloves are OK  if you have large
    hands.  I like scuba diving gloves.  They fit better and I don't
    have to worry about putting my hand in the water.  For the really
    cold sensitive types, those little charcoal heat packets can be
    helpful.  Of course, don't leave shore without a warm hat, preferably
    one with a chin strap.  The boom will knock a ski hat off faster
    than you can say gybe.
    
    THE COMPETITION - frostbite sailing is really frostbite racing.
    Most of the participants are former college racing types.  If you've
    campaigned a Laser or Hobie Cat, you'll fit right in.  A minority
    are beginning sailors or summer sailors trying to stay in tune.
    Nothing wrong with that.  You will definitely improve your boat
    handling skills.  
    
    GENRAL PROCEDURES - because there is some element of risk is sailing
    in 32 degree water, safety precautions are strict.  There at least
    two crash boats to rescue overturned sailors.  In Marblehead there
    is a heated shed on float in the middle of the harbor for warming
    up frostbitten sailors.  Everyone pitches in on crash boat duty
    once or twice a season.  Driving a whaler around and downing a few
    brews next to the pot bellied stove in the warming hut while exchanging
    sea stories is not the worst way to spend a winters afternoon. 
    Sometimes it hard getting those guys out of there at the end of
    the day.
    
    Boats are stored in the parking lot at the Eastern Yacht club. 
    Launching is either from the ramp or a small crane.  Changing
    facilities are available inside the club.  The Fee for this year
    is about $250 which covers the gas, equipment maintenance and rental
    of the facilites.
    
    Everyone asks "how cold is it?"  My answer is that frostbiting is
    as cold as skiing.  You move around a lot in the boats.  Plus the
    harbor is usually about 10 - 20 degrees warmer than the suburbs
    because of the heat sink effect of the water.  There is an informal
    guideline called the 20 - 20 rule.  If it blows 20 knots and is
    below 20 degrees, sailing is cancelled.  If they can start the
    outboards, it's not too cold to sail.  If Mark Lindsay doesn't capsize,
    it's not too windy to sail.  
    
    - gene

1040.7Interclub Dinghy wantedCIVIC::BUCHANANTue May 22 1990 16:4612
    Frostbiting is one of the best ways for novices to learn the racing
    game.  The courses are generally short.  You do multiple races in an
    afternoon.  Intertubs are a little like bumper cars and the
    participants are not afraid to mix it up at the start or at mark
    roundings. All of this adds up to an intense course in racing tactics
    and rules.  I used to race in Scituate harbor and found it one of the
    best ways to prepare for the big boat stuff the following season.
    
    I will be looking to either buy or charter an Interclub for winter
    1990.  Let me know if there are vessels available.  Thanks.
    
    						Civic::Buchanan