Conference unifix::sailing

    please descibe a flying scot.

    I used to sail a flying Scott (sp?) a couple of years back.  The ones I
    used were not tuned for racing but were part of a sailing school and
    rental fleet.  The boat was comfortable not, alot of fititing and
    rigging to trip over.  They were stable and would forgive a pretty
    major mistake without sending you into the drink.  Come to think of it
    I would have hated to tip one over righting it would have been a bitch.
    The boat was good in moderate air but I would give it a pass in really
    light stuff.  Also I nick named them flying squats they tend to pound
    when working to windward in anything but flat calm.  All in all a
    reasonable boat to live with.  I would not buy one but I want something
    with a higher performance. 
    
    
    Forrest

    >>> Re .1 describe a Flying Scot Sailor
    
    
       That's Bill Robinson on his old Hobie 16. Evidently Bill had
    pushed the Cat past it's capacities when he attached his Scotish
    flag to the top of the mast. He was double trapped when the windward
    shroud let go. Heard he flew at least 30 feet when the mast decided
    to use him as a human fish lure.  8<)  8<)

    .2 is mostly correct about Flying Scotts. I believe they are a 'family
    version' of a Lightning. Like the lightning they are 19' long, sailed
    by a crew of 3. They are a round section hull, rather than the
    Lightnings hard chine. They are heavier and slower than a Lightning.
    
    Most important difference is that the Flying Scott is only manufactured
    by one company, in Ohio I think, whereas the Lightning is a class
    boat built by many builders.
    
    If all this sounds like an ad for a Lighnting I do still have one
    for sale :-)

    The Flying Scott North American championships were won by a husband
    and wife team from MD.  Again my only complaint with the boat was
    that it was not a hot enough for me.
    
    RE: .-1 I know of two builders one in Maryland and on in UTAH.
    
    	Specs:
    		LOA	 19'
    		Beam	 6"9"
    		Draft	 8" to 48"
    		SA	 191 sq ft
    		Spinaker 200 sq ft
    
    
    Forrest

re .4

			:
    Lightnings hard chine. They are heavier and slower than a Lightning.
			:

1986 Portsmouth numbers would indicate that there is not much speed difference 
between Lightnings and Flying Scots. The Lightning was rated at 89.6 and the 
Flying Scot at 90.4.

- Bob

re .0

The Flying Scot was mentioned in a recent AMERICAN SAILOR (USYRU magazine) as 
one of a very few one design dinghies that was enjoying strong growth in 
members and new boats. This would seem to be a good sign in terms of 
protecting your investment in the boat.

- Bob

    There's a racing fleet of Flying Scots at the Stone Horse Yacht
    Club, Harwichport, Mass. in case you want to watch them in action
    during the summer or need a place to write.
    
    I raced on them there on and off for a few years and found them fun
    in the "Smokey Sou'westers" that prevailed.
    
    Pete

    The Flying Scot was the first sailboat I owned and the boat I mostly
    learned on.  I sailed mine on Lake Champlain for three years before
    buying a larger keel boat.
    
    The Scot is a very easy boat to sail due to it's simplicity.  The main
    is significantly larger than the jib making sail handling relatively
    light work. There are almost no go-fasts (hiking straps, rig
    adjustments, etc.)  It was designed to be sailed and raced by a family
    (including Grandparents and young children). Because of this some
    sacrifices in speed were made.  I too found it slower than Lightnings
    but it can also provide an exciting day of sailing in moderate wind and
    above.  It's faster than many day sailors of comparable size. It is
    realtively beamy and will plane in moderate to strong winds. 
    
    To give you an idea of the simplicty:
    	no backstay - shrouds are aft enogh to support mast
    	no spinnaker downhaul - guy led under hook on chainplate
    	no hiking straps or trapeze
    	no mast bend mechanism
       	no traveler
    	only three sails
    	no hanks on jib or foil, jib supported by luff wire
    	jib halyard adjusts forestay tension

    The only controls were the sheets, halyards, centerboard, outhaul,
    cunningham(?), jib leads, and vang (?). The question marks are because
    I'm not sure about these, they may have been absent (it been 10
    years).
    
    The stability of the boat is impressive for it's size.  It's very
    hard to flip. If it does flip it shouldn't swamp because the cockpit
    is out of the water, only the deck and seats are in the water. It
    shouldn't be to hard to right unless you turtle it.
    
    The cockpit is enormous with full length seats. You can easily take
    more than three people out and still be comfortable.  If you don't
    race you might not notice the difference in speed between the Scot
    and the Lightening but if you spend any length of time on it you
    will definitely notice the difference in comfort.
    
    The class is relatively active across the country and seems to be
    getting stronger in the last few years.  I raced the boat for only one
    year in mid-week races because there was no class on the lake. There
    were a number of Scots around but they didn't race. I had no problem
    selling mine. 
    
    I had a lot of fun, made all kinds of mistakes without hurting myself
    or the boat and learned that sailing was one of the nicest ways
    to spend time around.  I finally sold the boat when I got more serious
    about racing and overnight cruising.  
    
    Assuming that you have settled on a boat in the 19 foot range I
    give the Scott high marks unless you are seriously into
    performance/racing.
    
    							Bill

    The Scot doesn't have a vang. The main reefs by rolling up on the
    boom so there's no place to attach the vang.
    
    One of the main performance differences between the Scot and Lightning
    is the Lightning's greater pointing ability because of more elaborite
    sail and rig controls.
    
    							Bill

    Re .9,.10
    According to the info that I brought back from the Newport
    Boat Show, the Scot does indeed have a vang and you can also
    get Jiffy reefing.  We had a larger Cape Dory but with my
    oldest getting ready for college and two more right behind
    her, we thought it best to go something a little more affordable.
    

    The lake I sail on (Cowan Lake, in Southwest Ohio) has a large and
    very active Flying Scot fleet.  The people I have talked to really
    enjoy sailing them very much.  It seems to be a great combination
    boat for family daysailing and racing.  The cockpit is huge and
    would hold 6 - 8 adults.
    
    The boat was designed by Gordon "Sandy" Douglass who also designed
    the Thistle and Highlander one-designs.  I'm sure there are a good
    number of used ones available, even though in Ohio where this is
    a popular boat, you don't find many in the classified ads.
    
    On the east coast they are manufactured by Gordon Douglass Boat
    Co. in Maryland (Rockville I think).  The president is Eric
    Ammann.  They are also made in Utah by Westscot Mfg.  If you
    check SAIL magazine, they run an ad about every other month or
    so.  They pride themselves on quality and service.
    
    I almost bought one this spring when upgrading from a Capri 14.2,
    but went with a CAL 21 for the cabin, head, etc.  If I was in the
    market for a large daysailer, the FS would be at the top of my
    list.

    Can anybody provide an "estimated" fair market price for:
    
    1980  14'-Flying (Scot) Jr
    w/ trailer.
    
    Everything is in good (not excellent) condition; some hairline
    cracking in the interior Gel-Coat. No apparrent structural defects/
    damage. Mast and fitting are all there and in good condition.  Main/Jib 
    sails are original but in very good shape.  The seller is asking $950 
    but has indicated some flexibility.
                                                    
    Thx,
    
    Jonathan
    
     
    

I'm thinking of buying a Flying Scot, and was hoping that my fellow noters
might be able to help me.

If you know of anyone who is selling one, please let me know.

If you have stories to sharem please do.

Hurry, before they shut down the notefiles!   8^)

Bob

	WANTED:   Used Flying Scot
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                                   Thanks...  Bob