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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

792.0. "CG Captains License" by CAMELS::MCGARRY () Wed Apr 13 1988 17:07

    
    
    
    
    	Does anyone have a coast guard captains license?
    	and if so, do you have any information on how to
    	get one in the Boston area. What do you use it for,
    	chartering? Is the examine difficult, and what
    	experince do you need to obtain one. Thanks.
    
    
    	richard

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792.1Call USCG direct.CIMNET::CREASERSUPER STRINGWed Apr 13 1988 17:5911
    I believe that some of the requirements for the lowest class license
    (commonly called a "six pack") are changing. Best call the Coast
    Guard directly. They have a packet of info to answer most questions.
    
    I'm not licensed myself but can inquire with friends who are, if
    you need more info.
    
    Regards,
    Jerry
     

792.2Master 100 gr/tonKVARS::LESMERISESThu Apr 14 1988 15:0526
    I have a Master 100 gross tons license.  The principle us is to
    legally carry pasengers on an inspected vessel, if the vessel is
    uninspected the the OUPV (Operator of uninspected vessels) license
    alows for up to six passengers not counting crew. That's why a lot
    of chater fishing boats specify not more than six.
    
    The requirements are 720 days underway, documented. The test consists
    of a battery of seven exams with passing requirements of up to 90%,
    they are typically bureaucratic tests in that the deal with esotrica.
    
    The tests are:
    1-Inland Rules
    2-COLREGS 72
    3-Piloting
    4-Navigation Gen.
    5-General
    6-Seamenship
    7-Safety
    8-Emergency Medical
    9-Radio/Radar
    10-Celestial Navigation (optional)
    
    They are not a give away but are capable of being taken in one day.
    
    Good Luck! -felix- 

792.3-questionswould Liberian doMPGS::KTISTAKISMichael Ktistakis 237-2208Thu Apr 14 1988 16:2910
    re .2 : Felix, could you answer a couple of questions please.
    a. Do you know if the 720 days underway have to be under U.S.registry
    or the registry under flags of other nations will do?
    b. How recent the 720 days underway have to be at the time of the 
    application?
    
       Thanks
       Mike K.
    

792.4Got mine in 1985TALLIS::RICKARDFri Apr 15 1988 16:3453
    I got my licence to operate uninspected vessels (your basic take
    6 passengers on a vessel that is not required to be inspected by
    the coast guard) in 1985.  At that time I was thinking about doing
    yacht deliveries for a living but that never came to pass.  Now
    I find it comforting since many friends that come sailing bring
    food and beverage which according to the courts can be considered
    payment for the day of sail, having a licence to carry passengers
    protects me from potential problems.
    
    I had a month to prepare for the exam so the pressure was great.
    I decided to take a course to help me prepare for the exam and found
    that that was the most useful for learning what to expect - how
    the questions were phrased, what would be covered, etc.  We did
    a lot of work with the Navigational Rules of the Road which I had
    to practically memorize in order to answer some of the questions.
    That portion of the exam has to be 90% correct and was probably
    the most difficult so plan to spend a lot of time studying that
    publication (I don't recall the publication numbers but it is available
    at most marine stores like Boat US).  We practiced our navigational
    skills using set and drift and loran and the exam will have you
    plot a course in unfamiliar waters.  I studied the book "Weather
    for the Mariner" an excellent text and found that part of the test
    rather difficult, I definitely need more work in that area even
    today.  There was a long "miscellaneous" test that covered Chapman's
    text almost word for word and had some pretty foolish questions
    like which doesn't belong in this list: faking, flaking, flemishing,
    and something else; which is the most important line used in docking,
    bow line, stern line, spring line, brest line.  There was a section
    on polution that was open book but if I hadn't seen the text before
    that could have been a problem. Each section of the exam was timed,
    I don't remember exactly how many sections there were, I believe
    that there were fewer sections than for the 100 ton license mentioned
    in a prior note.
    
    When I took the exam only 360 days of boating time were required,
    720 for the more advanced licenses.  This too may have changed.
    The interesting thing here is that the coast guard at that time
    did not have a definition for "day".  I had lots of 24 hour sailing
    and very little 4-8 hour "days" but to the coast guard both were
    the same.  I made a list of all my trips and all the days sailing
    at the Boston Sailing Center and had the owner of the boat I sailed
    and the owner of the sailing center sign letters verifying that
    I had done what I claimed.
    
    I just called the coast guard office in Boston - 565-9040 to get
    information on renewing my license.  I suggest as note .1 did, call
    to get the facts.  Also, there are study guides at various marine
    stores and doing practice problems really helped me.  I was one
    of two people in our class that passed the first time around!  What
    a thrill that was.
    
    Pam Rickard

792.5Ten years.MIST::LESMERISESWed Apr 20 1988 19:054
    The time limit on sea time is ten years, as far as foreign flag
    duty it is usable if it can be verified. They have a form available
    that must me complete signed and notarized.  -felix-

792.6Captain's LicenseHYSTER::KITTLEFri Jan 12 1990 13:4112
    Hi, My name is Steve Kittle. My wife Karen and I both work in MKO. We
    keep our O'day 27 (One Particular Harbour) in Salem Harbor but this is
    not why I write this note. 
    I am persuing my Captians License and would like to hear from anyone in
    sailing notes land who has been licensed or may be in the process of
    doing so. My first thought was to go for the 6 pack but I hear that I
    should try to get licensed for something better. Any comments on the
    subject would be welcome especially if there constructive. What should
    I be studying? What is the copmlexity of the exam? 
    
    Only 4 months before we tune the rigging and set sails again.
    Thanks Skittle 
792.7A (long-winded) place to beginAIADM::SPENCERJohn SpencerMon Jan 15 1990 14:0084
RE: -.1,

>>>  My first thought was to go for the 6 pack but I hear that I should try 
>>>  to get licensed for something better. 

The "six-pack" is very restricted -- often to a given short route or just 
a certain harbor or even anchorage.  The documented service requirements 
are much less, but it doesn't do much good if you ever want to carry
passengers for hire, *unless*... 

(It used to be, at least:) If you want to carry 6 or less passengers for 
hire on an *uninspected* vessel, a six-pack gave you some coverage.  Since 
my own license was 100-ton, I never bothered to investigate that fully.

Some elements of the six-pack and any larger license are exactly the same: 
Rules of the Road (90% correct required) and perhaps some other parts, 
such as first aid and basic seamanship.  Ask the USCG Marine Safety Office 
(MSO) in Boston (440 Commercial St, I recall) for info.

>>>  What should I be studying? 

Rules of the road, backwards, forwards, everything.  Expect dayshape and 
light questions on every description of barge and tow, how suction dredges
are lit at night, what seaplane or submarine must show, everything.  Also,
they are no longer tending to show lights just in a broadside or
straight-on (forward or backwards) view; some are angled, which is, of
course, the way we spend most of of our time actually viewing them.  If 
you don't get 90% (out of 20 or 40 questions), you stop right there and 
don't hang around for the rest of the testing.  After 30 days you can make 
another appointment and try again, from the top.

Larger license topics:  Engine operation and safety (if you go for aux
sail as opposed to just sail; aux sail is good for power as well as sail
only and combined), safety equipment (detailed knowledge of amount, type 
and location for the class license you're going for), navigation aids, 
weather, fuel handling and safety, chart problem(s), first aid,
signalling, etc, etc. 

Also, you may have to take a local knowledge exam, based upon where your 
documented crewing experience was.  They used to vary greatly:  Boston was 
easy (look it up in the Coast Pilot and light list), Portland was a bear 
(from memory describe in detail all the hazards, marks and lights entering
Frenchman's Bay...) and Miami was in-between (know eight the major reef
lights and the cuts through the Keys.)  Rumor has it that a) it's more
consistent among all offices these days, b) each office will now license
coverage *only* in the waters of that district, or the part of that
district your time is documented in, and c) it's fairly easy, being more
along the lines of using gov't-published documentation. 

The USCG info packet will talk about all the parts of the test.  Plan to
spend a full day for license exams if you take more than the six-pack. 

The best and easiest place to start is with a current edition of 
Chapman's.  It will have lights, and by studying the other things in 
there, you can be fully enough prepared.  That's what I did (to augment a 
lifetime of small boat experience, mostly under sail), and passed first 
time out.

If you want the best and most efficient preparation, and are willing to 
pay a few hundred bucks, respond to one of the Houston Marine ads.  
They're in New Orleans, and do a big business in prepping crew boat and
oil rig tender crews.  They are state-of-the-art, and recently were
commissioned by the USCG to put all the actual exam questions on-line.  So
they have all the actual questions! (This means you can prep for perhaps
5000 questions, 10% of which you might encounter in the exam versions you
get.) 

>>>  What is the copmlexity of the exam? 
    
The complexity isn't the killer.  Partly it's just remembering the USCG 
perspective on a massive amount of info.  And partly it's trying to
interpret some of the questions, which when I took it must have been
handed to a baboon to be rendered into semi-literate form.  I found much
ambiguity in some of the questions, and at the time the officers
proctoring the exam were of little or no assistance (or understanding.)

The good news:  it's cheap.  I don't recall paying anything to get 
licensed, other than for some good strong coffee for the several nights 
beforehand.  And hung on your bulkhead, that document is one you will be
very proud of.  It may also help generate an attitude of mutual respect 
during courtesy inspections, as well as making insurance agents smile and 
charterers undeniably eager to put their boat in your hands!

J.
792.8NOVA::DICKSONFri Jun 02 1995 16:079
    This is an old topic, but I have a new question.  Assuming there
    is no commercial operation involved, nobody is being paid, etc,
    just a bunch of people out together on a cruise, of varied talents
    to do all the work, what limit, if any, is there on how big of a
    boat you can operate *without* a USCG license?
    
    As an extreme case, could a bunch of (very) rich people with
    coincidentally the correct set of skills and experience, *legally*
    sail the QE-II around the world?
792.9SX4GTO::WANNOORFri Jun 02 1995 21:274
    VERY interesting question! I know a guy here with a boat over 100 tons
    and no captain's license, but I never asked if it's legal. Any takers?
    
    
792.10NOVA::DICKSONFri Jun 02 1995 21:412
    It may depend on the country of registry.  Maybe that's why obscure
    places like Liberia and Belize have so many ships registered.