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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

746.0. "Rusty Keel Advice?" by JUNIOR::CARRERA (Joe Carrera) Wed Feb 17 1988 11:30

    Two questions:
    
    1. What is the best filler to use to fair a bolted on iron keel
       to the FRP hull? I've been told "Bondo" is not appropriate for
       underwater use.
    
    2. The bolted on iron keel is held by 6 large bolts. Two of these
       bolts have ground wires on them. These same 2 are rusty, while
       the other 4 are painted, and not rusty. Should I do something
       about these rusty bolts? What should I do?
    
    Thanks in advance for any and all advice.
    
    Joe
    

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746.1GRAMPS::WCLARKWalt ClarkFri Feb 19 1988 08:4611
    There are several underwater fairing materials which are suitable.
    
    Assuming the keel to hull joint is stiff (it shouldnt flex or move),
    something like microballoons mixed with polyester resin is appropriate.
    This should be preceeded by a complete cleaning to white metal and 
    epoxy priming/seal of the keel, otherwise the fairing will pull away
    from the keel when the iron begins to oxidize.
    
    
    Walt    

746.2Recommendation for reattaching a keelTALLIS::RICKARDFri Feb 19 1988 11:0324
    I have a detailed explanation of the process a friend of mine went
    through when he had to reattach his 3500 pound lead keel.  After
    much struggling, and failure of some materials, he used Amicon keel
    epoxy with filler added.  Also recommended by a mutual friend in
    the fiberglass industry is Interplastic's VE-81-10 shock resistant,
    high elongation vinylester.  A "belly band" was added for additional
    support and strength; recommended for this is DBM-1208 double bias
    matted tape.
    
    I strongly suggest you read the entire article as reattaching the
    keel was a very difficult operation and this friend and knowledgeable
    sailor had to go to the factory for assistance with this problem.
    (You may ask, if he was knowledgeable, how did he knock off his
    keel in the first place?  Actually he was on the head when a "friend"
    ran the boat into solid granite!  Not only loosened the keel, but
    broke the head right off the base!  I've since then replaced my
    marine head with a Wilcox-Crittendon bronze base bullet proof variety.)
    
    Anyway, contact me at 226-6592 if you want a copy of the article.
    It's part of our Freedom 32 newsletter.

    Pam
    

746.3use epoxyMLCSSE::BERENSAlan BerensFri Feb 19 1988 12:265
re .1:

Epoxy resin (with the filler of your choice) is much superior to 
polyester resin for fairing. Epoxy is also much easier to work with.

746.4I worry about corrosionHPSTEK::SEIDNERMon Feb 22 1988 15:254
    Ask a yard about sacrificial anode you should attach, to prevent
    your bolts corroding away. Possibly safer to replace the corroded
    two.

746.5"Rusty keel bolts"TALLIS::RICKARDTue Feb 23 1988 11:2314
    About the rust, it seems that you would need to determine the depth
    of the rust.  Why not try some rust remover to see if you get down to 
    shiny, new, hard metal and then recoat the bolts if you are
    successful.  If you remove the keel to rebond it to the hull you could 
    also check the bars that pass through the hull.  It would be
    impossible for me to replace the bolts on my keel as they extend way
    into the lead casting.  Hard to say what to do if your keel bolts are
    really rusted out, perhaps a new lead keel with stainless steel
    keel bolts?  Good luck!  Have you perchance contacted the builder's
    service department to determine if others have had this problem?

    
    Pam

746.6GRAMPS::WCLARKWalt ClarkWed Feb 24 1988 15:4216
    Electrolysis caused by small amounts of ground current can make
    the rust you see, even on Stainless bolts.   Also, where seawater
    lays trapped (like between a washer and stud, under a nut), rust
    can occur on stainless.
    
    In either case, cleaning it up is a good idea.  If the bolts are
    stainless (they should be), I dont think painting them will stop
    future repeats.   
    
    Stopping ground leakage (find out what is causing the current flow),
    sealing voids (like filling spaces between the washer, ground terminal
    and keel stud) and perhaps a sacrificial anode (if erosion is detected)
    may all help reduce/eliminate the trouble.
    
    Walt

746.7PAINT THOSE BOLTSDPDMAI::CARRERAWed Jul 27 1988 18:199
    1. I ALWAYS LIKE RICE AND/OR BEANS AS A FILLER(GARBANZOS NOT
       RECOMMENDED). EXOTIC BREAD CRUMBS HAVE ALSO COME INTO FA-
       SHION AS OF LATE.
    
    2. CLEARLY ANY DECENT SAILING MAN OUT OF MARBLEHEAD WOULD HAVE
       BETTER TASTE THAN TO SAIL WITH RUSTY BOLTS. WHERE'S YOUR 
       PRIDE MAN? PAINT THOSE BOLTS!!!