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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

730.0. "Cutty Sark and small cabins" by 3D::GINGER () Fri Jan 15 1988 12:10

    A while back there was a discussion in here, or maybe it was in
    BOATS, about small cabins on boats and whether these were 'cuddy'
    cabins or 'cutty' cabins. I was sure they were 'cuddy'
    
    Last weekend I had a chance to tour the
    famous Tea Clipper Cutty Sark in Greenwich and read an explanation
    of the name- Cutty means small, Sark is a kind of nightshirt or
    dress. The name Cutty Sark is based on an interesting old fairy
    tale involving witches wearing cutty sarks and a hero that escapes
    from them by crossing over running  water. His horse looses its
    tail to one of the witches, and Cutty Sarks figure head is a witch
    with outstreched arm holding the horses tail.
    
    So- I guess boats have Cutty cabins, not cuddy cabins!
    
    Now that I've solved this weighty problem for all sailors, I wish
    I had recorded more of the fairy tale- are there any Brits out there
    that remember the story and can tell me the title, and more of the
    story?

    Ron

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730.1Tam O' Shanter?AYOU17::NAYLORPurring on all 12 cylindersMon Jan 18 1988 06:187
    Don't know about the connection (if any) with Cutty Sark, but the
    story of the witch chasing the rider and then catching the horses
    tail as the rider escapes by jumping over running water sounds too
    like "Tam O' Shanter" By Rabbie Burns to be true!
    
    Brian

730.2One maker says CuddyDSSDEV::JROBINSONTue Jan 19 1988 13:054
    
    I have a brochure from Mistral describing a 16-footer with a
    cuddy cabin, not a cutty cabin. 

730.3Don't beleive everything you read!CSSE::GARDINEREveryone's entitled to my opinion!Wed Jan 20 1988 14:2219
    RE: .-1  I can only say that there are so many misused phases in
    the English (and I'm sure any) language that beleiving what one
    sees in print could cause infinite confusion.  The term colloquialism
    was coined to define the misuse of words that are common.
    
    Take for example the use of the term "Tact".  Many people say they
    are "taking a new tact" when in fact the phrase is "taking a new
    Tack".  Sound familiar??
    
    The origin of words especially words from sailors or shipwrights
    came from common usage and cannot be traced.  One can only go back
    so far and then it is a SWAG (Scientific _ _ Guess) from there on.
    
    Good luck with your search for the truth.
    
    Jeff
    
    

730.4MENTOR::REGIt was 20 years ago next MayMon Jan 25 1988 13:5513
    re .3	Well, sort of.  I think of it more as evolution along
    different lines than misuse.  Words are adopted into a
    craft/profession/industry/sub_culture at some point in time and
    age differently on the outside, i.e. "Chandler" was a common enough
    word at one time, there probably aren't any now and the word lives
    on to represent the function that replaced it.  Misuse ?, debatable.
    Spelling changes with common usage too, when enough people use the
    new (not necessarily wrong) spelling for a long time it becomes
    the norm.  Nite lite, etc.  

    	Reg	{ colloquially abreviated, not acceptable 100 years ago }
    

730.5Let's get back to CUDDYCSSE::GARDINEREveryone's entitled to my opinion!Tue Jan 26 1988 16:5515
    According to Webster's New World Unabridged Dictionary the term
    "CUDDY" means a small covered section in the bow of a open boat.
    The origin listed is "unknown".  Therefore, I would assume that
    if the term came from Cutty Sark there would be a reference.
    
    The term "Cutty Sark" has the definition of being a small chemise
    or undergarment.
    
    I have checked several dictionaries from recent and past publications
    and they all have similar desciptions.  If some said the "CUDDY"
    was a spin-off from "CUTTY SARK", I think they were creating a yarn
    of their own.
    
    

730.6English at it's fineryMPGS::KTISTAKISMichael Ktistakis 237-2208Mon Feb 01 1988 14:189
    The name "Cutty Sark"comes from Robert Burn's poem "Tam O'Shanter"
    in which a Scottish farmer is chased by a witch called Nannie who
    wore only "Her cutty sark,o'Paisley harn,"which is to say "her
    short shirt of coarse Paisley linen".
    Copied from The Guinness book of ships and shipping "Facts & Feats.
    My God I don't want anybody to think that I am into poetry or for
    the people who know me that my English have improve so much that
    they  now can understand me.Please put a comma after God.