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650.1 | finding the water line is an art | GRAMPS::WCLARK | Walt Clark | Mon Sep 21 1987 14:52 | 44 |
| I dont know how accurately the cutter will float on her lines or
what the effects of loading stores, gear, water, etc. might have,
but here is my experience so far:
My first boat was a true light displacement flyer. The water line
was WAY off at the stern and some off at the bow from the factory.
By the time I added additional batteries, lockers, tanks and filled
them, the line was even further off.
I ended up raising the boot top 6" at the stern and 3" at the bow
over 3 seasons. Fortunately, I had chosen a black bottom/black boot
top with no contrasting color between. Thus I was able to keep raising
the masking tape each year on both the boot top and bottom paint.
To allow for loading of stores, water and fuel I had about 3" of
bottom paint above sea level when "light" and about 1" when loaded up
(for a week, not for crossing oceans).
The boat we have now (an S&S design) came from the factory perfect.
She is also a light displacement (D/L about 180) boat and has about
3" of bottom showing forward and 2" aft when "light".
With all the gear, food, fuel, water and ice aboard for a 2-week
get away, she sits right at the top of the bottom paint. She has
a molded-in, 1" wide, mark all round which identifies both top of
bottom paint and bottom of boot top. This mark is white (hull color)
and serve to accent the boot top indigo blue vs. the bright blue
bottom. There are also molded reference marks (metal + ) at the
bow and stern, 6" above the molded mark, which allows recreating
the waterline, should the 1" mark be ground off.
I saw an article in Sail or Cruising World some time back which
described using a visable light laser, on a tripod, to find a straight
line from bow to stern. I think a pencil or felt tip was used to
mark the path of the laser. Once marked and painted, it should be
easy to remask when repainting, unless you take it all off.
In general, I think boats should allow for more waterline range forward
because the lower bouyancy forward is affected more by added weight
than aft. I would say that you would want to set the water line
an inch or so above "fully loaded" weight - if you can figure that
out.
Walt
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650.2 | all true | 38350::FANEUF | | Mon Sep 21 1987 18:32 | 55 |
| As a one-time naval architect who fell into computing early-on,
I have had a little fun during construction of this boat. I have
computed the displacement from data lifted from the lofting, which
is probably a bit more accurate than the results of using a planimeter
on the 3/4"=1' design drawings. I have done my own weights and ballast
calculations based on standard commercial practice, which requires
computing all weights on board - e.g. if you are planning to carry
3 anchors, figure them all in at their most likely locations. And
figure 50% of all consumables (water, fuel, food etc), plus reasonable
live crew weights. The latter may be no small item; on my boat with
its 160 gallon water capacity, live weights are over 1000#, and
amount to nearly 6% of the total displacement.
The result is that the boat will certainly float at least 2" lower
than the designer computed if it is to retain its ballast ration.
He claimed a 45% ballast ratio on about 16,000# displacement. On
his original lines, I computed about 15,300# displacement from my
lofting data. To maintain that displacement with my computed weights,
(which were about a ton over his), I would have had to drop the
ballast ratio to about 30-some %. Instead, I sank the boat 2", upped
the displacement to 17,200#, and ended up with a ballast ration
of 42%.
The lesson in all this is NOT that my designer was a klutz. I spent
a LOT of time doing this - even with the assistance of a Macintosh.
The point is that he didn't have a computer, and in order to complete
the design at a reasonable cost, probably did a lot of estimating
rather than exact computation. Contemporary designers SHOULD be
able to do better; for instance, a superb design package which runs
on the Mac is available for about $2500; I don't know how many
effectively use such aids.
For production boats, the commonest technique is to use the actual,
floating waterline of the first boat built to mark the rest. Designers
and builder who are willing to mold the waterline mark into hull
#1 are VERY gutsy.
As an indication of what accuracy means, the following might
illustrate. A 36' boat like mine has a sinkage of about 1000# per
inch at her designed waterline - an additional 1000# will sink the
boat an inch. I haven't computed the moment to trim one inch, but
at a guess it's about 1500-1700 ft lb. When my wife and I go aboard
a boat for a cruise, with all our gear and 2 weeks worth of food,
the boat probably sinks between 1 and 2 inches. If we all go forward
to heave on a fouled anchor, our weight + hauling may pull the bow
down 3-4 inches. This sort of sets the background for dealing with
waterlines. I suspect that if I were fussy, I might habitually trim
the boat to look good on her mooring :-).
Maybe the prudent course is NOT to permanently mark the waterline,
and keep shifting that tape. But meanwhile, any marking notions??
raf
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650.3 | reference marks and straight waterlines | GRAMPS::WCLARK | Walt Clark | Tue Sep 22 1987 10:00 | 19 |
| The reference marks on my boat at the bow and stern, might make
a good system for you. You could place each, lets say 6" above
the design waterline. From there on you could use them both to
recreate the waterline from scratch (if necessary) and as reference
points when changing (lets say raising the line at the stern 2",
which would leave the mark 4" above at stern and 6" above at the
bow). The visable laser-felt tip idea strikes me as a good way
to gwt a straight waterline.
By the way, I dont know how to describe the reference marks above
except as some sort of metalic disk with a + in the center. It is
about the size of a #8 screw head, and added to the hull at layup.
The boat is an '83 Tartan 33. There are lots of Tartans around, stop
by one at a yard sometime and take a look at this thing. I suppose
there are other boats that use similar systems (one just has to
know what to look for).
Walt
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650.4 | thanks | OCCAM::FANEUF | | Tue Sep 22 1987 11:55 | 8 |
| Sounds remarkably like a phillips drive screw or the equivalent.
Strikes me as real easy to simply sink a few nails or screws at
an appropriate line, and mark the heads with a punch if needed.
Sounds neat and easy. Thanks.
Ross Faneuf
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650.5 | position & marking | EXPERT::SPENCER | | Tue Sep 22 1987 16:14 | 46 |
| Ross,
Thoughts on placement and marking:
I agree that the waterline should be higher forward than aft, and each
end should also be above the aft-of-midship height. Most designers agree
that with some sheer at deckline, an inch or two of swoop at the waterline
goes a long way to adding pizazz to a yacht's appearance. Just offhand,
I'd guess the aft end might be 3/4"-1" above the low point (which should
actually be somewhat aft of amidship) and the forward end 1-1/2"-2" above
the low point. Exact proportions depend on the amount of sheer, hull
shape near the waterline, flare, etc. Probably the best means of
determining the waterline sheer is trial-and-error with a large-scale
drawing (1:6 perhaps).
The boottop should also follow the sheer, swooping proportionately higher
fwd and aft more than the waterline by a smidgeon. It also should
be wider forward and aft than in the middle, all for the same
proportioning reasons. For a boat of your size and type, I'd have the
boottop adjacent to the bottom paint -- I think it looks a lot better.
Does Skene's have a discussion of this? It's the sort of thing Francis
Kinney loves to fuss about endlessly in search of perfection. (He
designed Pipedream, a 36' sloop.)
Having owned a boat with a white boottop moored in Gloucester's outer
harbor, I would absolutely raise the lowest part of the waterline (top of
the bottom paint is what I mean) at least 1-1/2" above the at-rest-
unoccupied-but-partially loaded state. Various cultures of scum
seem inevitably attracted to the sides of a hull, and on a quiet sunny day
can chemically metamorphize into an unremovable substance epoxy chemists
would do well to study.
Lastly, marking a waterline. In practice, rarely will you ever remove
*all* the paint to where you can't tell a line at all. But JIC eng'g
(just in case) demands a back-up. Presuming the dynel covering and epoxy
are essentially clear, or at least highly translucent, why not paint a
contrasting line -- the entire white boottop would be perfect -- on your
dark hull over the cold-molded sheathing, but underneath the dynel &
epoxy? I doubt you'll ever sand it off accidentally. For preservation
and appearance, paint the true waterline and boottop over the dynel,
knowing you've always got a complete permanent record of the original
position underneath if needed.
John.
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