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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

596.0. "Installing a new diesel" by CASADM::THOMAS () Tue Jul 07 1987 12:33

    Sometime between now and next Spring a new diesel power plant will
    go into Zendia. The current engine, a Palmer one cylinder gas model,
    that's powered her through chop and calm for all of her 18 years
    has succumbed to the implacable foes, time and salt water. I'm
    reasonably handy but have never installed an engine before so I
    expect to be asking a lot of questions here about how it's done,
    books to get, tools to get (I already have a big hammer), things
    to do and not do, dealers to see and dealers to avoid, and so on
    ad infinitum. 
    
    Which engine?
    
    we're talking one cylider here because of space and weight
    considerations. Known (to me) Options are Yanmar and Volvo. Right now
    I'm leaning towards Yanmar because the area distributor, Mack Boring,
    is in Braintree and Ryder puts Yanmars in new Sea Sprite 23's.
    Any other suggestions? 
    
    Dealers? 
    
    Any good ones,i.e, supply templates, manuals, between Gloucester
    and Newport?
    
    Structures?
    
    Will I need to build some sort of lifting/supporting structure?
    The Yanmar weighs in at 160-170 and I'm thinking that maybe two
    adult males will be able to handle getting the engine in and moving
    it around.
    
    Tools?
    
    Will I need any special tools for installing the engine? Pulling
    the shaft? Lining the coupling up with the shaft? Any other exotic
    tasks?
    
    Books?
    
    Any recommended readings?
    
    
    Control Layout?
    
    Thoughts on placment of instruments and controls? FYI, the boat has a
    tiller. 
    
    Exhaust systems?
    
    What should I think about here?
    
    Anyone out there who's done this before with an irresistible urge
    to do it again? :-)
    that. 
                 
    
                                   

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596.1Good diesel stuff in 140CASADM::THOMASTue Jul 07 1987 12:565
    see Note 140 for a lot of real good stuff on diesels! I'm in the
    mmiddle of memorizing the whole thing.
    
    Ed

596.2A bookAITG::BEANEArt BeaneTue Jul 07 1987 13:024
    See Dan Spurr's ``Upgrading the Cruising Sailboat''.  He also wrote
    a few articles in Cruising World on the topic, but I don't remember
    which issues.

596.3use a lift!OCCAM::FANEUFTue Jul 07 1987 14:4014
    Don't even consider hoisting an engine into your boat without some
    sort of lift. It's much too easy to have it slip out of your grasp
    (we're talking about working in VERY inconvenient spaces), and the
    chances of damaging yourself or your boat are too high. Assuming
    you do this on dry land (I wouldn't contemplate a do-it-yourself
    engine change in the water), you can get away with a pair of shear
    legs made of 2x6 stepped (probably) on deck, and stayed fore and
    aft, and a cheap comealong (ratchet hoist) to do the lifting. And
    with a hoist, you can control lowering the engine and thus get it
    properly located.
    
    Ross Faneuf
    

596.4Old Engine Collector!3D::GINGERTue Jul 07 1987 15:4115
    What are you going to do with the old 1 cyl Palmer? I could be eaisly
    talked into trading it for some help in installing the engine.
    
    Having done a few engines in sailboats I expect two major areas
    of problem- the mounts will undoubetedly not be the same so some
    substansial work will be required to make new engine beds. Connecting
    the exhaust is always a big problem. 
    
    Wiring, controls (except maybe the reverse gear), fuel lines etc
    are usually fairly easy- but since you are converting to diesel
    you will need a fuel return line and a new tap into the fuel tank.
    
    Good luck!
    Ron

596.5GRAMPS::WCLARKWalt ClarkWed Jul 08 1987 09:5930
    I havent had the pleasure of repowering a boat yet, but I can endorse
    the Yanmar.  We had a YSM-8 on our 25'.  In 4 years (80-83) it never 
    gave us a moments trouble. 
    
    One thing I appreciated was that it could be safely operated while 
    heeling. Some engines carry cautions not to operate when heeling
    beyond some small (for a sail boat) heel due to lubrication problems.

    To be specific, we sometimes used the engine to help power us to
    windward thru steep chop which would kill our speed under sail alone
    (you guys familiar with Rhode Island Sound and Buzzards Bay can
    appreciate this). The 25' never sailed under 20� heel and 30+� was 
    common.  
    
    The manual for the Universal engine on our current boat cautions us 
    not to operate the engine when the heel is exceeding 15� (this boat 
    doesnt need the engine boost like the 25' did to make progress in
    tough seas, so it isnt a problem).

    The engine was also very economical. We got about 3 hours to the
    gallon at hull speed.
    
    It is also very cold blooded (direct salt water cooling with no
    thermostats) which is nice on hot days since it doesnt heat the
    engine space much. On the other hand there isnt a nice warm place to
    to hang wet gear to dry on a cold damp day, and it wont heat the
    potable water in an exchange heater (hot water tank).
    
    Walt

596.6interesting readingMURPHY::SAFDIEWed Aug 05 1987 15:409
    
    
    For what it's worth the August issue of SAIL magazine has an article
    on do it yourself diesel installation. The person who wrote it did
    the installation in the water using his boom, halyard and topping
    lift as a winch to lift the old diesel, swing it over the side to
    the dock and install the new diesel. 
    

596.7SKYLRK::MARCOTTEGeorge Marcotte SWS Santa ClaraTue Aug 11 1987 19:285
    I read that article too.  The thing that bothers me is using the
    boom as lift.  How much weight can you put on the boom/mast/etc?
    
    George

596.8MENTOR::REGHusqvarna Sonata fur A# saw und voodThu Aug 13 1987 10:5615
    
    	WARNING, CYNICAL REPLY FOLLOWS:-
    
    	Re .7	Natural laws of sailboat construction #307
    
    	Deisel engines are sized to boats as some function of the boat's
    size and weight.  Similarly, booms and masts are sized in proportion
    to the boat's sail area.  Sail area is some function of the boat's
    overall size.  From this it follows that bigger deisel engines are
    found under bigger booms and masts, therefore any sail boat's boom
    can support the load of an appropriate sized deisel engine.

    	QED ?
    

596.9She's in and running!!CASV05::THOMAS_EWed Jun 15 1988 14:119
    Well, it's in (Yanmar 1GM) and it ran last night. I ended up re-wiring
    and re-plumbing the boat. THe next time I do that it'll be easy but
    this first time was an adventure that I enjoyed thoroughly. 
    
    THe thing that is most surprising to me now is how much safer I feel
    with no gas on board. And we're not even in the water yet!! 
                                                                
    Ed 

596.10keep it fullRDF::RDFRick FricchioneFri Jun 17 1988 14:536
    Congrats.   No all you have to worry about is running out of fuel.
    
    Rick                                                              
    
    * My YANMAR 2GV came with bleeding instructions fortunately.

596.11How much did all this cost?BOSTP2::BEAUThu Apr 11 1991 16:144
    
    Just for grins...how much do you figure a) you spent on the
    conversion, and b) you saved doing the install yourself?