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497.1 | | GRAMPS::WCLARK | Walt Clark | Wed Mar 04 1987 16:10 | 19 |
| In what state do you reside ?
If in Mass. you will be obliged to pay Mass sales tax and register
it in Mass. If in N.H., register it there. You will legaly avoid
sales tax. By keeping the boat in Mass for the summer I think you
will be obliged to pay the annual Mass excise tax. There are probably
a hundred ways of avoiding the excise tax, but NOTES isnt the place
to discuss that.
The Coast Guard does not require anything of you (other than safety
equipment) if you are registered with a state. I am not sure a boat
this size can be documented anyway (something about 10 long tons minimum).
If you bought a VHF, you should obtain a station and operators license
from the FCC (no test, just paperwork).
Good Luck,
Walt
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497.2 | Many a brave heart | CSSE::COUTURE | | Wed Mar 04 1987 16:24 | 10 |
| How brave are you? You can't document a boat less than 5 tons,
so no Coast Guard documentation is possible. So you'll have to
register it with a state. I've heard tell of certain towns in
Massachusetts charging excise taxes on boats moored there. I don't
know if Salem does that, but I'm sure someone will address that.
I had a similar situation with my last boat. It was registered
in Mass but I kept her in R.I. I never got nailed with Rhode Island
taxes but I kept waiting.
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497.3 | almost heaven...Rhode Island | GRAMPS::WCLARK | Walt Clark | Wed Mar 04 1987 16:40 | 9 |
| Side comment on .2:
Rhode Island doesnt have any taxes directly on boats other than
sales tax for residents. There is tax revenue derived from mooring
and marina slip fees (paid by the marina/mooring owner and buried
in the seasonal rental charge).
Walt
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497.4 | use tax | IMBACQ::SIEGMANN | | Wed Mar 04 1987 16:57 | 6 |
| Also from Taxachussetts is the 'use tax' which = the sales tax on
boats used in but not purchased in state. I don't know how the'll
find you though; perhaps from marina of register or some such thing.
Ah, the magic of computers in govt...
Good sailing! Ed
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497.5 | bad news | PULSAR::BERENS | Alan Berens | Wed Mar 04 1987 18:26 | 29 |
| A 22 foot boat is too small to be documented. NH and MA do NOT have
reciprocal registration, ie, a NH state registration is not valid in MA.
If you keep your boat at Pickering Wharf, you are very likely to be
fined for an unregistered boat (the Registry police have a nice
sportfisherman they cruise around in looking for a way to ruin your
day).
If you keep your boat in MA, you will be liable for the excise tax,
which is rather small. The enforcement folks wander around
marinas comparing lists to the boats there.
Now the bad news. Since you bought a new boat, you will be liable for
the 5% MA sales/use tax. I've heard that if you buy a used boat and
register it in NH for a minimum of six months before bringing it to MA,
you aren't liable for the tax. I've seen a boat seized at Pickering
wharf for nonpayment of taxes (a very nice Baltic). Again, the
enforcement folks wander around marinas comparing lists to the boats
there. If you pay voluntarily, the tax is 5%. If you wait for the state
to find you, the tax folks are very likely to assess interest and
penalties for tax evasion. No doubt they can be quite rude.
So, you (an honest sailor certainly) have a choice -- MA registration
and taxes or keeping the boat in NH next summer.
A beer might help at this point.
Alan
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497.6 | More info. | NECVAX::RODENHISER | | Thu Mar 05 1987 09:25 | 2 |
| For more on this subject, see notes: 78, 80.
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497.7 | Sales tax,,,, | PHENIX::JSTONE | | Fri Mar 06 1987 09:40 | 9 |
| Alan is correct on the 6 month ruling. If you don't keep your boat
in NH for a minimum of six months (and you have to prove it), you
must pay the sales/use tax in Mass....sorry.
I am told by some friends in the department, that there will be
a pronunced increase in registration/safety equipment checks this
season in the North Shore. Good luck.
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497.8 | Just another NH nut | ROCKET::HARDY | | Thu Mar 26 1987 13:08 | 26 |
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I agree (for the most part) with Alan.
However, I just bought a new boat in MA. And, I'm a NH resident. The
boat will be 'delivered' to NH. I will NOT be paying sales/use/fubar
tax. See note 97.4. The difference is, I will be keeping the boat
in NH. That may be a problem for you. I've heard about the 'six month
rule' that Alan talked about. I don't know if that's true or not.
I was told by Well's, "... when you buy a boat in MA, flags will
go up in the tax dept. and they WILL contact you. So, have your
records in order." I will.
It is very difficult (if not impossible) to get the truth out of the
tax people at the state house (again see note 97.4). There is a
LOT of word-of-mouth tax law. If you believe what I or anybody else
tells you, good luck. But, I have 'beat' the MA tax system legally.
And my suggestion is you should try to if you feel that your situation
warrants it! If I lived in MA, bought and kept a boat in MA, I would
pay sales tax. But, if I bought a car in MA, lived in NH, kept the
car in NH... I sure as hell wouldn't pay any sales tax, driving
tax or excUSE TAX.
Gary H...
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497.9 | MY EXPERIENCE - CATALINA 22' AND MASSACHU | NHL::LANDRY | | Thu Apr 23 1987 13:23 | 34 |
| CHRIS:
I too am the owner of a new Catalina 22' recently purchased
from Gauch Brothers Marina in Shrewsbury. I saw the boat at the
Boat Show in Boston recently and fell in love with it.
Here's what I did. I live in Massachusetts and bought the boat
in Massachusetts...... HOWEVER,
I also have a N.H. residence, in which I had the boat DELIVERED
to N.H. In addition, I plan to moor the boat in Portsmouth N.H.
(by the way, I've been having a hell of a time trying to find a
mooring on the N.H. seacoast, but that is another story)
The bottom line for me is that, even though my primary residence
is in Mass and I bought the boat in Mass, the boat will be delivered
to N.H., and will be moored and used in N.H., in addition, the
boat will be registered in N.H., and the trailer is registered in
N.H. and will be towed by a motorhome also registered in N.H..
I believe that I have a case for LEGALLY NOT PAYING MASS SALES OR
USE TAXES!!!!!!!!!!!!
On an aside, I'd love to keep in touch with your experiences
with your Catalina 22'. This is our first boat, and our first
experience with sailing as a family. My wife and I have both sailed
in the past, separately, but we plan to attempt to sail as a family
(three children 8, 4, and 1 year old) on our Catalina 22'. Keep
in touch.
Regards,
Dave Landry
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