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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
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210.0. "furling systems et al?" by RDF::RDF () Sun Nov 24 1985 09:40

After Gloria destroyed my Headfoil, I am faced with its replacement.
Given that I have been quoted a $200.00 difference between a furling system
and just replacing the old hardware, I'd like to check up on the incremental
costs of furling setups as well as recommended systems.

	1.  Brands (quote was for Hood Sea Furl system)
	2.  Relatively inexpensive ($1000.00 or less)
    	3.  Sail covers attached to genny (recommended shops?)
	4.  Allows existing luff tape/rope setup to be used
	5.  Usable on boats 30' to 40' (extra extrusions?)
	
Any other comments regarding  nylon bearings vs steel, maintenance etc
are welcome.  Its usually just my wife and I sailing so furling is somewhat
attractive.

Rick


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210.1GRAMPS::WCLARKWed Nov 27 1985 07:3423
I have used Hood's 2535 SeaFurl on our Tartan 33 for 2 seasons. I have not
experienced any problems with its reefing/furling ability. We use a 125%
Geneoa all the time. It reefs down to about 95% and still points fair.

I have 1 complaint however. The drum and furl line guide are painted
aluminum. The paint began lifting this past season, so I am in the process
cleaning and repainting - with todays annodizing processes, I dont believe 
there is any excuse for paint on something like furling gear.

I have seen a lot of the Harken furling systems around. They look very well
made (better than Hood). The owners I have talked to have all been extremely
pleased with them. Any complaint seems to be focused on sloppy Riggers who
put the system in, not the equipment. By the way the Harken is using the
double luff groove like Hood.

I had the maker of my sails put the leech cover on our Geneoa. I think any
sailmaker you are happy with can do a good job for you.  Be aware that the
addition of the cover changes how the sail performs. In light air it can make
shaping the sail difficult. When the breeze pipes up the heavy material tends
to flap, so a leech tension line is manditory to keep the leech in one piece.

Walt

210.2SSGVAX::SAVIERSFri Dec 06 1985 18:547
We used the large Harken all last year & it worked fine, no problems.  Also
sailed with the 130 furled in 35+ winds for a few hours, with good results.
The sail is by Hood and well cut for furling, so if yours are in good
shape it may be worth getting your "most used" jib reworked by a sailmaker.
The riggers told me they like the Harken best, but that the new Hood units
are very competitive.

210.3GRAMPS::WCLARKWed Dec 11 1985 08:5235
Rick,
Now that I know where you keep your boat - Ive got some specific recommendations
for you.   There is a small shop in East Greenwich (New England Yacht Riggers
I think) which specializes in sailing rigging. Talk to them. I have heard
several of the people at Masthead and EGYC say very good things about them
from price to service. They carry both Harken and Hood systems - and seem
to be selling mostly Harken for 30 - 40 foot boats.

I own a Hood - as I said - but based on what Ive seen, I would go with the
Harken or Pro-furl. The main drawback to the Hood (mine is 2 yeasrs old and
hood changes these things weekly so it may have improved) is the coupling
between sections of the luff extrusion. I havent had a failure or jam, but
the joints can work a bit and could cause the luff tape to jam when hoisting
or lowering a sail.  Check these joints on whatever you think you want. Look
for an interlocking joint which cannot rotate or pull apart and doesnt need
any bonding compounds or set screws to assemble.   Also, I have noticed that
the top of my extrusion is not faired and can (and has) snag the jib halyard
if everything happens right. The Harken has a cast cap which would prevent
snags.  I have oly seen one Pro-furl and have never used one, but you cant
argue with success - it was the only furler to get thru the BOC without failure.

As for sailmakers - either Rowse or Ulmer/Kolius in East Greenwich are very
good. U/K is new in the area, but Rowse has been around for several years
(you may have seen his Tartan 10 or X-Yacht ROWSE-TA-BOUT around). When you
arrange to get the cover installed - be sure you let them know which way
your furler rolls up. This is your choice when you put the furler in.  Ive 
seen some people with the cover on the wrong side of the sail because they 
never payed any attention and when asked by the sailmaker, they guessed.  
One guy had 2 headsails (110 & 150) with covers on different sides. This would 
be OK if he had one of those continuous line systems which will furl either 
way (he did not). 
                                                                               

Walt

210.4RDF::RDFWed Dec 11 1985 22:016
Thanks Walt.  I'm going through N.E. Yacht Rigging and Ill probably try 
Ulmer for the sail work.  Good info on the extrusions.  Ill make sure to
check that when I see the units.

Rick

210.5HOOD FOR PRESIDENT!CSSE::COUTUREAbandon shoreWed Nov 02 1988 12:5919
    This looks as likely a place as any to post this.
    
    Two years ago I installed a Hood 810 Line Drive furling system
    on my boat.  About two weeks ago, I got a survey from Hood
    asking about the unit & my feedback regarding problems, etc.
    I mentioned a small corrosion problem I was having on the furling
    drum.
    
    About one week later, the UPS truck showed up at my house with an
    entire new lower unit, including the drum which is now anodized
    by a different process.  Hood's letter said to send them my old
    unit back "at my convenience."  
    
    My old furler was over a year out of warranty so I was amazed at
    Hoods commitment to customer satisfaction . . . possibly more
    amazed that anybody even read my comments.  Hood just guaranteed
    themselves a lifetime customer.
    of warranty