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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

120.0. "Women in Sailing" by SUMMIT::THOMAS () Thu Jun 13 1985 07:35

Some of the comments in the Bermuda Race note (118?) about women
got me thinking about why we hear so little about women in the
sailing press. There seems to be an almost total lack of women
in the racing covered by the press. I know nothing about lower
levels of racing. Are there many women involved at these levels?
Is Olympic sailing a men's event? 

In racing smaller boats a man's weight/strength advantage would
seem to be a major factor. Is this another example of the maxim
in sports that a good big person will beat a good little person?
So much of sailing is mental though that I have a hard time
understanding the relative absence of women in racing. 

Cruising articles seem to put women in a second class role as cooks or
crew. I can't recall more than one or two articles I've seen in
the last couple years that show women in a command or decision-making
role. Maybe I'm seeing a bias that isn't there. My wife and I work
on a consensus basis hwen we sail. Captain Bligh stuff doesn't
cut it.

Role models are important and there don't seem to be too many for
women in sailing other than as crew or loyal supporter. I would
think this is /will be changing as women's roles change in our
society.

Comments?

Ed


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120.1DUNCAN::MAYFri Jun 14 1985 10:2023
Concerning the subject of women sailors,I'ld also like to put in my
two cents worth on the subject.

Onboard our Soverel 30 "Flyway",my wife and I share the duties,respon-
sibilities,and decision making on a 50/50 basis.We race our boat in a
very competitive PHRF fleet,and do very well.I helm the boat at the 
starts and windward legs,while my wife trims sails.On downwind legs my
wife steers while I run foredeck.

It is true women do have physical limitations as to what they can or
cannot do onboard a racing boat.However there is no one gender which has
an advantage when it comes to strategy,and the technical aspects of the
development of boat speed.I also feel that many women have better con-
centration,and feel at the helm then men.

I'm proud of the way my wife handles herself onboard our boat,and also 
proud of the rest of our female crew members.I think sailing is sport
which both genders can excel at equally.So for any of you male sailors
with over inflated ego's,just remember there are plenty of women sailors
with equal sailing skills,or even better!!!

                                                    JM

120.2CORVUS::RICKARDWed Jun 26 1985 16:3725
 
How about Naomi James, Florence Arthaud, Ann Gardner Nelson, Clare Francis, 
and Judith Lawson to name a few women skippers and role models.  I've read 
numerous books and articles about women sailors (and not the cook and mate 
types). There are most definitely women sailor role models out there!  

I am a woman and have sailed and raced for 30 years, own my own 32' boat and 
have my Coast Guard Captains license.  Most of my sailing friends are women 
and are far better sailors than most of the men I know.  I'm not sure where 
you have been, but sailing has been open to women for years.  My mother is 
an avid sailor and began sailing in Laguna, Calif. when she was a child;
she continues to sail at the age of 63 (when she's not in a golf or tennis 
tournament!).  Maybe I am just fortunate to have been brought up in a very 
out-doorsy family and for that reason never considered sailing to be a "man's" 
sport (which it certainly is not).  

I find it most amusing to go sailing with macho men and see them turn green 
when we get in a bit of rough weather; that generally takes them down a peg
or two (I don't get sea sick and sound very much like a macho woman!).

Oh well, I really don't care much about women's or men's roles, I believe in 
doing what I want to do.  If women want to sail there is nothing stopping them.

Pam Rickard

120.3Mildly Offensive tone?CASAD2::THOMASThu Nov 06 1986 09:3622
Associated Press Wed 05-NOV-1986 07:35             America's Cup-Woman Sailor

   FREMANTLE, Australia (AP) - An America's Cup first took place
Tuesday when the first woman sailed as a crew member.
   Dory Vogel made 12-meter history when she served as navigator
aboard Dennis Conner's Stars & Stripes during its victory ocwe
Challenge France.
   The 23-year-old, who is married to Scott Vogel, a bowman aboard
Stars & Stripes, has been working out with the rest of the crew for
more than a year.
   Vogel said joining the sailing crew ``was a complete surprise,
and I was really nervous.I made a couple of mistakes because i
haven't been working with the computers lately,''
   Computers play a large role on 12-meter yachts. Each competing
yacht is equipped with computers which supply information on wind
conditions, sail trim, navigation, time made good and other
essential items.
   Vogel did not have her husband at her side for moral support for
the race. Scott Vogel had the day off and watched the race from the
team's tender.
    

120.4Two years late, but still releventMPGS::BAILEYBMay the 4 winds blow u safely homeMon Sep 12 1988 10:0017
    Just discovered this note, and don't know if anyone will see this.  But
    thought I'd add a reply.
    
    We're nearing one of our most successful racing seasons ever.  Two of
    the reasons are a wonderfully athletic lady on our foredeck and a
    navigator/tactician (also female) who has the ability to think and plan
    at least two or three steps ahead of all us guys on board.
    
    I think there are some advantages to having tall, muscular deck monkeys
    at certain positions.  But at least on our J/36 women can (and do)
    cover most positions very competitively.
    
    Incidentally, on our boat I do most of the cooking and cleaning.  So
    much for "role models".
    
    ... Bob

120.5You bet!AKOV12::DJOHNSTONMon Sep 12 1988 10:106
    I'll second what Bob says.  We'd steal their navigator any day.
     She knows a starboard rounding when she sees it!  We do need more
    strength for the deck positions than most women can handle, though.
    
    Dave