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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

79.0. "MOAC Premium Minimum" by DVINCI::SEARS () Fri Jan 25 1985 10:17

Has anyone received notice from Marine Office of America (MOAC) regarding
a new policy of $500 minimum premiums?

I have a '65 Person Ariel (26') and the current premium is $226/yr so
$500 is more than double!

Can anyone recomend a good agency/underwriter who doesn't put it to the
little guy?

Paul

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79.1MOTHER::BERENSFri Jan 25 1985 14:353
Try Nancy Ronan at John Alden Insurance 617-227-2848. Also consider a 
deductible greater than 1%. 

79.2APPLE::WALKERFri Jan 25 1985 16:097
I have my insurance through BOAT US, the premium was about $400 last year on
my new Catalina 27. Fortunately, I have never had a claim but I have used them
for the last four or five years and found them to consistently have the best 
price. The also give you a discount based on your boating education, lack of
claims and experience. By the way BOAT US is The Boat Owners Association of
The United States.

79.3HOLST::RODENHISERFri Feb 01 1985 17:4719
My agent is Al Blackadar (Plaistow NH, 603-382-4771 or 603-772-9386).

The underwriter is Reliance. I have a $50,000 policy, 1% deductible,
liability $500,000, $2,000 medical and the premium dropped from $466 to
$447 this year.

I have not had a claim - so it's hard to know what they'll be like to
deal with then.

A little over a year ago I asked BOAT US for a quote. They didn't come
close to this price. In fact they asked if I would send them a copy of
my policy for their review. They didn't understand the variance and we
both wondered if I had aolicy that might be worthless when it came time
to make a claim.

I've never heard another word from BOAT US - either the policy is OK
and they simply couldn't match it - or they dropped the ball in following
up. At the moment, ignorance is bliss.

79.4MOTHER::BERENSMon Feb 04 1985 12:2040
One way to reduce premiums is to increase your deductible from 1% of 
hull value to 2%. Our premium is $644 with a 2% deductible and $106 more 
with a 1% deductible. Our coverage is for the US east coast from Eastport, 
Maine to Morehead City, North Carolina as well as New Brunswick and Nova 
Scotia, $500 000 liability, and $90 000 hull coverage. Our Avon dinghy 
and liferaft are covered by a separate endorsement with a $100 
deductible. The policy is with INA/AETNA and my agent is Nancy Ronan at 
John Alden. 

An agent specializing in marine coverage will know which companies have 
the best rates -- one company wanted a premium about double INA/AETNA, but 
that company mostly covered powerboats -- as well as which companies 
settle claims quickly and fairly. The lowest premium is not always the 
best policy (pun intended). A good agent can also help you if you have a 
claim, recommending surveyors, painters, joiners, lawyers (god forbid), 
and so on. I also learned from my agent that a certain mooring rental 
company in a certain harbor (the one I use in Marblehead!) has had a few 
too many boats go adrift lately and that I would be well advised to 
inspect my mooring myself. Oh well, I know a good diver.

If anyone is thinking about chartering, you may not know that you are
not as covered by the boat owner's insurance as you think you are. If
you damage a boat you are chartering, the insurance company will
reimburse the owner for the repair costs. The insurance company can
then, if it chooses, sue you to recover those repair costs on the
grounds that you were negligent. So be careful. The people who chartered
our boat last summer admitted hitting a ledge through negligence.
Fortunately, the damage was minor and was covered by the security
deposit. The insurance surcharge covers the increased risk of damage to
the boat. It doesn't, as I understand it, cover you. In cases of minor
damage it isn't worth the insurance company's effort to sue you. Also,
be sure that the insurance company knows you are chartering the boat (as
owner or charterer). I heard of one case where a Pearson owner chartered
his boat without the permission of the his insurance company, the
charterers lost the boat, and the insurance company refused to pay the
claim, leaving the owner to sue the charterers. 

Alan


79.5MANANA::DICKSONTue Feb 05 1985 12:273
Is there a kind of policy I should get before I charter somebody
else's boat?  Liability insurance perhaps?

79.6MOTHER::BERENSTue Feb 05 1985 21:1911
The insurance agent (not my present agent) who told me about the 
potential liability of charterers didn't have any suggestions beyond a 
general coverage liability policy (possibly expensive and unnecessary 
for us common folks). I doubt if the insurance companies will sue you 
unless you do something really dumb, like take a boat with a 50' mast 
under a bridge with 40' of clearance while drunk (happened to an 
acquaintance's Valiant 40). A reputable charter agent is a good idea, too.

Alan


79.7MANANA::DICKSONWed Feb 06 1985 13:149
I was thinking more of something like I charter a boat, and
cause damage to somebody else's property with it.  Like I colide
with a guy in a dingy out fishing, and he sinks, losing his boat,
and sues me.  Obviously the owner of the boat is not involved -
it is between me and the guy in the dingy.

Like car liability insurance.  Medical coverage for passengers,
etc.  Do I need a similar policy to cover me when I operate a boat?

79.8MOTHER::BERENSWed Feb 06 1985 18:1519
The liability coverage provided by the boat's insurance covers you, as I 
understand it. Certainly you would want to be sure that the amount of 
protection is adequate and that it does actually cover you (read the 
policy and then discuss it with the agent if need be). $500 000 is the 
maximum that is normally available without becoming involved in special 
underwriting and probably surveys.

I once inquired about chartering a Valiant 40 in the Virgin Islands. The
insurance deductible was $5000. The owner made the comment that if that
large a deductible worried me, then perhaps I was really worried about
my sailing ability. After thinking about it, I saw his point. I now give
potential charterers of my Valiant 32 a choice: $1800 deductible or they
can pay the additional premium (over $100) for $900 deductible. 

Don't make the mistake of chartering the least expensive boat. You are 
likely to find the somewhat more expensive boats much better equipped 
and cared for.