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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

67.0. "Paint for Hobie?" by MRADM::ROBINSON () Tue Nov 13 1984 09:23


                    CAN ANYONE HELP HITH PAINT?

   I sail a 16' Hobbie which suffers a lot from being dragged over all kinds
of beaches to get me in the water. My problem is that I intend to do some
smoothing off and filling out the scratches in my hulls this winter.
   Last year I made an attempt with topside paint (Interlux) which looked
great in the spring but after a summer of racing has worn completely off
the one hull I experimented on. I would assume now that a bottom paint
would have been less prone to scratching but one of my biggest problems
is the original colour of the boat is yellow and I have yet to see advertised
such a colour.
   Can anyone help? If yellow is impossible to get can I get advice on a
good abrassion resistant paint which is easy to apply and gives a finish
as close as possible to topside?
                                             Bill Robinson(DTN:231-7335)


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67.1REX::TWAITSThu Nov 15 1984 16:431
67.2AKOV04::KALINOWSKIWed Nov 28 1984 14:3421
HI THERE

SORRY I DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWER, BUT I JUST BOUGHT A 16 YELLOW HOBIE THATS
LOOKS LIKE IT IS GOING TO NEED NEW PAINT ALSO. I WAS TOLD BE A DEALER THAT
THE BEST THING TO DO IS FIND AN EXPERT ON CORVETTES. SEEMS THAT THE FENDERS
ON THOSE TOYS GET AS MUCH ABUSE AS A CAT. THE THING YOU ARE LOOKING FOR IS
AN EXPERT ON FIBERGLAS. HE SAYS THAT A REALLY GOOD AUTOMOTIVE PAINT WILL DO
THE TRICK IF PREPARED CORRECTLY, IT WILL WORK. I DON'T THINK ONE WOULD NEED
MARINE PAINT SINCE YOU ARE GOING TO PULL IT OUT OF THE WATER EACH TIME.

ONE THING TO BE CAREFUL OF IS NOT TO USE THESE NEW EPOXY PAINTS THAT ARE 
USED ON AIRCRAFT. ALTHOUGH THEY WILL STAND UP TO ANYTHING  LESS THAN A
4 INCH DECK GUN, THE STIFFNESS OF THE PAINT LENDS ITSELF TO CRACKING AND 
FLAKING ON THE FLEX OF THE FIBERGLAS.

I HOPE THIS HAS BEEN HELPFUL. I WILL BE TEARING MINE APART AFAR ONE MORE
WEEKEND DONE THE CAPE. AS SOON AS I FIND A PROFESSIONAL, I'LL PASS ALONG
HIS ADVICE

JOHN

67.3USMRM1::MCHAIKOWSKIMon Dec 17 1984 16:315
	WHAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO IS COAT THE PORTION OF THE HULL THAT
COMES IN CONTACT WITH THE BEACH WITH SOME MARINE RESIN. THEN
SAND SMOOTH AND APPLY YOUR GET COAT. MARINE RESIN WILL TAKE A LOT
MORE ABUSE THAN THE FIBERGLASS.

67.4MOTHER::BERENSWed Dec 19 1984 08:4315
Huh? What do you mean by 'marine resin'? 'Fiberglass' is really a matrix
of fiberglass cloth and resin (usually polyester). There are other types
of cloth, such as polypropylene, that are much more abrasion resistant
than fiberglass. The resin itself, either polyester or epoxy, is not
very abrasion resistant. Gel coat is very soft. One of the linear
polyurethanes (Awlgrip, Imron) is maybe the paint to use, though they
are quite expensive and relatively toxic. The best solution is don't
drag the boat over sand and rocks. (I heard that one of the Carribean
charter companies supplies a nearly indestructable 8' dinghy with their
boats -- it weighs 300 pounds -- which illustrates the difficulty you
are facing.) 

Alan


67.5AKOV04::KALINOWSKIFri Feb 22 1985 13:4731
HI BILL

BOY DO I HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU

I READ UP FOR WEEKS ON HOW TO SHOOT NEW GELCOAT. I ORDERED ALL THE GOODIES
FROM THE MANUFACTURER AND ALSO GOT SOME DISPOSABLE SPRAY EQUIPMENT FROM
MURRAYS IN CAL.

AFTER SANDING DOWN THE BOTTOMS, I MIXED THE GELCOAT WITH 1/6 AMOUNT OF 
ACETONE FOR THINNING AND 15 DROPS CATALST PER OZ OF GELCOAT, I THEN SHOT
THE BOTTOMS AFTER TAPING WITH PAPER TAPE AND WAX PAPER. THE RESULT ARE 
VERY, VERY GOOD. THIS WILL ALSO TAKE ANY SMALL SCRATCHES OUT OF THE BOTTOM.

I FIND IT TAKES ABOUT 4 LAYER TO DO THE JOB, BUT YOU CAN SHOOT THEM ALL
AT THE SAME TIME WITH ABOUT A 2 MIN PERIOD IN BETWEEN. WHEN DONE, YOU
HAVE TO SHOOT A COAT OF WAX OR "MOLD RELEASE" TO MAKE THE GELCOAT CURE FOR
YOU SINCE IT IS DESIGNED TO HARDEN WITHOUT AIR.

AFTER 8 HRS IN THE WINTER OR 4 HRS IN THE SUMMER, YOU CAN START TO SAND
DOWN THE OVERSPRAY AND THE ORANGE PEEL WITH FINE SANDPAPER, BEST HAVE A
BUNCH OF THE STUFF SINCE THE GELCOAT CLOGS THE PAPER QUICKLY. YOU THEN
USE #400 SAND PAPER TO GET RID OF THE FINE SAND PAPER SCRATCHES, #600
WET/DRY SAND PAPER WET TO GET RID OF THE #400 SRATCHES, AND THEN USE
FIBERGLAS RUBBING COMPOUND TO FINISH OFF THE FINISH. YOU CAN THEN PUT
A COAT OF FIBERGLAS WAX ON TO GET ONE HECK OF A SHINE.

I STILL HAVE A PINT OF THE GELCOAT LEFT ALONG WITH SPARE AIR EQUIPMENT
IF YOU WISH TO GIVE IT A TRY. LET ME KNOW HOW IT TURNS OUT.

JOHN