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Title:DCE Product Information
Notice:Kit Info - See 2.*-4.*
Moderator:TUXEDO::MAZZAFERRO
Created:Fri Jun 26 1992
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2269
Total number of notes:10003

2158.0. "Urgent - Clarification required. Single login/Security" by CHEFS::16.195.80.69::Harvey () Thu Feb 13 1997 06:46

I am almost totally ignorant of "things DCE" but am in need of some urgent 
help in responding to a customer procurement/bid....

In a nutshell we are proposing a resilient UNIX cluster (6 x 8400s) 
distributed over 2 computer rooms using FDDI/ASE and fibre SCSI 
extenders/RAID techniques.

The system will be running Oracle db along with Encina TP monitor using DCE.

Clients will be WNT for which I will propose to use DCE again. 

Main workload will be mainly batch oriented processing via Encina 
applications with some user generated work.

Now the queries......

Is it possible to create a Single Login environment for the users ? ie. WNT 
login passed to DCE cell login ? The customer only wants to do this once.

If this is not possible as standard, can it be created using "hidden scripts" 
 or is this a security issue (password staorage etc.) ?

My understandings are that the above is possible (via Kerberos or the 
newer DCE Security components). However, I heard from somewhere that 
coordinating changes to passwords upon expiry etc. is not integrated and 
necessitates logging in to a server to change the DCE password and then 
changing the client PC one....... Or something similar. Is this true ?

I also need to know if DCE Security is applied to batched Encina 
applications/jobs so as to control these too ? Is it the same mechanism of 
control ?

The customer has been talking with HP so they have a view about HP's 
Praesidium (?) undertaking these functions. From what I read on their web 
pages this sounded very much what I know about DCE with Kerberos from reading 
about it a long time ago.

One last one... How is the DCE environment managed ? Does it need monitoring 
etc.?


Thanks for any guidance.

Rog
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2158.1DCE/NT has single sign-onTUXEDO::dce017.lkg.dec.com::limKyungae Lim, DTN 226-5318Mon Feb 17 1997 08:2736
Is it possible to create a Single Login environment for the users ? 
ie. WNT 
login passed to DCE cell login ? The customer only wants to do this 
once.
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Yes. Use integrated login option from dcesetup.  This is turned on by 
default anyway.
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My understandings are that the above is possible (via Kerberos or the 
newer DCE Security components). However, I heard from somewhere that 
coordinating changes to passwords upon expiry etc. is not integrated 
and 
necessitates logging in to a server to change the DCE password and 
then 
changing the client PC one....... Or something similar. Is this true 
?

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You can coordinate password change between NT and DCE using
CTRL+ALT+DEL Change password option.  NT password change will then be
propagated to DCE.
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I also need to know if DCE Security is applied to batched Encina 
applications/jobs so as to control these too ? Is it the same 
mechanism of 
control ?

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It should.  DCE/NT single sign-on(integrated login) provides the
user DCE credentials that Encina applications require for access
checking.
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Kyungae