Conference turris::womannotes-v5

    IRAW
    
    My favorite seed catalogue comes in.  I just don'w have enough space!
    
    Do I go with Mammoth Grey melting or Dwarf grey snow peas (smaller
    yield on the dwarf, but much prettier flowers)?  Do I gamble
    on early butternut, or guarantee winter squash with Sweet Momma, a true
    space pig, or do I go for the single serving dumpling or delicata's,
    delicate to start, but very tasty.  And beans, good grief!  do I grow
    the fiet beans and the hortos (very susceptable to bean beetles) or do
    I stick with black valentine and scarlet bush (gotta love those red
    flowers in salads)  And carrots?  double dig and grow the danvers and
    imperator types, or stick with the nantes, little fingers and orbits?  
    
    I both love and hate this time of year, while planning the garden.  
    
    meg

...a good friend is getting married, and I find the words, "I think we should
throw her a shower" popping out of my mouth.  I said them to a member of her
family, and she said, "Go for it, June."  Now, I am throwing a shower.
I think it will be fun, but I have never:

a) given a wedding shower 
b) prepared for anything this big without the help of either or both of my
sisters 
c) cooked for 30 (if we decide to have it at home)

I'm surprisingly nervous about this.  I keep saying to myself, "What's the 
worst thing that can happen?"  Unfortunately, the answer is "The bride could
miss the shower because she will decide to elope instead of having a wedding."

    as far as the food, keep it light and easy.
    
    Carrots, celery, mushrooms, and other dipper thingies.  I buy as much
    pre-packaged as I can.  Hidden valley makes a good ranch dip that I use
    for veggies.  
    
    If you want something more substantial, try wienies in barbecue sauce
    in a crockpot, wings, or a meat and cheese tray courtesy of the local
    deli.  
    
    Punch, or champagne punch (depends on your friends, we did beer and pop)
    
    cookies or something.  doesn't need to be too fancy and you can get
    really nice ones at the grocery.  
    
    
    meg

    
    June,
    
    How about potluck? Everyone bring a little something so you don't 
    have to cook.
    
    Eva

    Eva,
    
    You just gave me an idea, June, you might like this.
    
    A potluck with the food being contained in dishes, casseroles,
    tupperware or whatever (new) for the BTB.  this does assume you have a
    dishwasher handy.
    
    meg

Oh, that's a great idea! A potluck with the containers going to the bride-to-be.
Cool!

I am meeting tomorrow with the BTB's sister and another friend who has 
volunteered to help to start planning.  First thing on the agenda:  determining
the date for the event.

	

	AND!!! The recipe attached!

    IRAW
    
    My daughter sends me a letter that makes me cry.  Nice to know she
    still thinks I am superwoman.  I sure don't feel that way very often
    these days.
    
    meg

    Hearing the Obituary for Lyla Barber, Red Barber's life partner.  The
    loss of another wonderful and wise human in this world makes me very
    sad.  However, It was uplifting to listen to her story of life with
    Red on NPR this morning.
    
    meg

    I'm here.  It's bright out.  I'll be having lunch in the HLO caf at
    12ish.
    
    
    E

    On Saturday Carry presented us with 3 female kittens.

    On Sunday we weighed them and found that there was a 10% from their
    birth weight. So it looks like we are going to have to supplement their
    feeding for the next few weeks.

    BTW new born Devon Rex kittens are seriously ugly.   
    
    Jamie

    Jamie,
    
    Might want to watch mom, rather than supplementing right off the bat. 
    Many mammals lose weight the first day or so, before they start
    gaining.  Mom needs a bit of time to get her milk in and the kitties
    seriously need the colostrum for surviving infections. 
    
    Just personal opinion and experience, but it has been mine that when
    you start screwing around with nature to much it does make for serious
    consequences.  In mammals supplemental feedings can be the beginning of
    the end for mom's nursing, be they rabbit, dog, cat or human.  
    
    meg
    
    

    Jamie, Meg's right.

    My son lost an entire pound of weight during his first few days of
    life (in an intensive care nursery) and they were feeding him formula.

    One pound was more than 10% of his entire body weight, too.

    When he came home and we started nursing, he lost more weight (but
    his pediatrician told me to stay the course with nursing because
    he wasn't in danger as long as I kept him hydrated with bottles
    of very slightly sweetened water.)

    We were in full swing with nursing within 5 days at home, and he turned
    into Super Baby after that, pretty much.  :>

    Most mammals do tend to drop weight at the beginning, though, as Meg said.

    I'm leaving it all to Harry. He is allowing the mother to feed them
    then supplementing their diet with some formula he got from the vet.

    With the first nest we let her do it on her own and lost them.

    Yesterday he took the mother and kittens round the vet. Mother was
    given an antibiotic and something to stimulate her milk. She now seems
    more interested in staying in the nest.

    As of this morning all are above birth weight. The smallest, who
    actually takes the most when we feed them, is showing the least gain.
    
    Jamie.

    Thanks for the update, Jamie - sounds like you and Harry did the
    right thing!
    
    Suzanne

    Oh Jamie!  I'm so glad they all seem healthy this time!
    
    
    E

                                Kitten update.

    As of this morning the two big ones are feeding fully from their mother
    and the runt of the litter is slowly learning to feed herself. 

    Jamie.

    YYYYYAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
    
    
    And you've got a color terminal now, or a workstation, Jamie?
    
    
    E

    It appears to be a pentium PC, but unfortunately it came fitted with
    the largest collection of software bugs that I have ever seen in one
    place. This is purported to be an operating system and goes under the
    name of Windows95.

    In less than 24 hours I have had it lock up my application window
    twice, in each case the window had to be closed, and for good measure
    it managed a total hang, which required a reboot.
    
    Naturally this all happened whilst our customers are having a "Patch
    Panic" and I have a lot of work on.

    One less than happy camper.

    Jamie. 

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>This is purported to be an operating system and goes under the
>    name of Windows95.

Jamie,
	Check into getting the machine upgraded to WNT 4.0. Same GUI as
	W95, but a LOT more stable (at least in my experience).


Jim

    They "the faceless wonders who are in charge" have decided that we all
    get W95. Eventually we are promised enough memory to let it run
    efficiently. I am gradually learning how to avoid the major pitfalls. 

    Jamie.

    
    
    	Jamie,
    
    	We must accept that we are slowly being assimilated into
    	MicroSoft.  Next, comes the switch over to Exchange.  What
    	really annoys me is when VMS bites the dust, many of the programs
    	I have to use on a weekly basis, will also have to change over
    	to Exchange.  So not only do I have to learn a new "operating
    	system" and new mail system, I'm going to have to learn the 
    	new ways to do the salary planning, weekly labor, reserving
    	conference rooms.............  I'm not looking forward to any
    	of this one teeny tiny bit.
    
    	JJ
    

    .749
    
    does anyone know if it's still going to be possible to access notes
    conferences - do they migrate too?
    
    thanks,
    
    d.

    
    
    	Everyone's wondering that.  I guess, unless they're all 
    	accessible by the web or some other means, that Digital
    	notes conferences will be a thing of the past.
    

    Well, according to my handy-dandy Exchange Migration Guide V2.0,
    there's an application called NetNotes, available with instructions
    for installing at http://www-ccs.wro.dec.com/NT/Kits/
    
    I haven't got that far in my migration yet, so don't know anything
    about it ... maybe someone who does could dump some info in here
    somewhere?  (I know, this is in the wrong topic.)

	Fight back.  I have a 4-node VMS cluster in my office and nothing
capable of running Exchange.  The "corporate mail strategy" does not address
my needs. I already have 3 21" graphics heads in my office - I don't see a
need to add another just so I can read mail, half of which I'd probably
rather never receive.

	There are Notes clients for the PC, but as far as I know, there is no
server code.  I've moved a couple of conferences to WAYLAY as other VMS nodes
have dropped off the face of the earth.  WAYLAY isn't exactly a studly system
though and eventually I'll have to do something else if I want to adopt a lot
more conferences.

						--Doug

    I'm working on the NetNotes issue right now, and will let people know
    the scoop as soon as possible.
    
    
    E

    Oh Exchange is wonderful. I get loads of boring old official memos
    which witter on about things that do not concern or interest me in the
    least. 

    Before they used to get mixed up with my real Email, now they go to
    Exchange. It has this great feature, there is a little X and when you
    click on that the item is deleted.

    About once a week I go clean out the in box.
    
    Jamie.

    Jamie, it is even better than that. Go have a look at the Tools menu,
    and look for the Inbox Assistant. You can set it up so that it will
    recognise boring mail by subject or sender, and automagically chuck it
    in the wastebasket without you ever knowing you got it in the first
    place.
    
    Ad$Exchanger

    Exchange is beginning to make the mess of Win95 look worth while.

    Jamie.

    We've been on Exchange for a few months now - I love it.  I do still
    have a VAX account for the things that Judy mentioned: SMS, conf.
    rooms, purchase orders, order suplies, notes, etc.  I think, as someone 
    else mentioned, just fight back.  When they give you a simple and 
    effective manner to do the above from Exchange, then they can get rid
    of ALL vax mail.
    
    I think you'll like exchange, over all!
    
    ~Beth  

    The nice thing about Exchange, so I hear (I'm resisting), is the
    nice periods of silence you get as all of your mail is lost in the
    system somewhere and arrives days late.
    
    Ping-pong mail conversations? Dream on...

    RE: .759  Paul

    > The nice thing about Exchange, so I hear (I'm resisting)..

    As I discovered recently, resistance is futile.  I was assimilated.

    You will be, too...  :>

    Sincerely yours,
    [email protected]

    I finally got my Exchange account today. Took about an hour to figure
    out how to use all the things I'd want to use, including setting up
    distribution lists. So far, I think Exchange is wonderful, it's just a
    shame that no-one else in my group is on Exchange yet.
    
    Goldy.

    
    
    	Yeesh.  So much for my making things easy on folks and using
    	JUDY as my username.  Guess at somepoint I'll be 
    	[email protected]
    
    	What do they do in instances when you've got XXX number of people
    	with the same last name?  Like Smith, Johnson etc........
    	talk about messy addresses!
    

    Judy,  you wind up being something like "[email protected]"
    instead of just armstrong.  Longer usernames, but... it's technology!
    
    ~beth

>  but... it's technology!

	No. it's a stupid decision to use a flat namespace.

    You thin you have problems with your new address?
    
    How would you like [email protected] ?
    
    Jamie.

    What gets me is the myriad *different* usernames I have had and
    still do have.  In past jobs, I've been ADAMS, N_ADAMS, ADAMS_N
    (I hate those underscores) and now NADAMS.  Then there is this
    application and that application with different usernames (one
    is ADAMS, if I had any choice I went with NADAMS).  I finally
    got wise on my ISP at home, though, and went for nla as my
    username.
    
    And then there are all the passwords ...

    I seem to be lucky and have my username as whiteheadj for my numerous
    accounts.
    
    Goldy.

Goldy:

> So far, I think Exchange is wonderful, it's just a
> shame that no-one else in my group is on Exchange yet.

  After someone mails you a Word file infected with a macro
  virus, let us know if you still think it's wonderful.

                                      Atlant

    I said it's wonderful, I never said it's perfect. Anyway, I hope I'd be
    smart enough to Sweep any mail I received that had a Word attachment,
    fortunately I don't receive that many.
    
    Goldy.

    IRA When we think we have a handle on what has been causing the Upper
    abdominal pain since October.  The good news is It is apparently not
    cancer or gallbladder, (although the gallbladder is not as functional
    as it could be)  The bad news is it appears to be a non-H.Pylori
    caused duodenal ulcer.  Antibiotics aren't going to do this one, and in
    fact may have aided and abetted the condition that started the DU. 
    
    Time for taking more care with the diet, and changing the supllements
    around a bit.  
    
    meg
    

    IRAW:
    
    I am snowed in.  As long as the trees don't take out the power or phone
    lines, I have connections to the outside world, but I like freedom of
    movement.  On the other hand, the pantry and freezer are still stocked
    for winter-mode, the trooper is at the mechanics, instead of being a
    sitting target for tree limbs, and this will break downt the alfalfa
    pellets on the garden nicely.
    
    However, my peach was trying a second bloom.  Guess I too can kiss
    a Colorado peach crop goodbye.
    
    meg

    ITA with the "delightful" sounds of a Colorado spring.  Wheels
    spinning,  chainsaw cleaning up the falling branches and the fat plops
    of large chunks of snow falling of the remaining branches of the local
    trees.  
    
    Oh well it probably is the last snow until September one can hope and
    once the garden dries out enough the onions should be well rooted and
    the rest of the garden ready to plant.
    
    meg

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>    Oh well it probably is the last snow until September

	Now you've gone and done it! And I was so hoping to put the snow
	shovel and Winter clothes away.

	;-)

Jim 

    Yep and shortly after I wrote that I looked outside to more fat flakes. 
    Oh well, I am still pushing for September, although I have seen it snow
    here on June 7th once.
    
    meg

    Snow on June 7th here???  Wow.  

    The latest I've seen it snow in Colorado was on May 31st in Denver
    one year.  I went to get gas late at night, and the air was totally
    filled with enormous wet snow flakes (which all melted when they
    hit the ground, even at night.)

    The next day, it was summer.  :>  

    We also had a blizzard in Denver on September 12th that year, so
    it was the very latest and the very earliest that I've ever seen
    snow in Colorado - both in the same year.)

    I remember the June snow - we hadn't moved here yet, but were
    visiting my sister who had recently moved to the Divide area.
    It was the summer of 1983.  As I recall, that entire summer was
    cooler than usual??  Lila
    

    Hi Lila - we moved to Denver in the summer of 1983 (July, I think.)

    Denver wasn't cooler than usual, as I recall - but it did seem to have
    a lot of thunder/lightening (most of it dry, but a little more rain
    than I remember other years.)

    We had a very, very nasty blizzard that winter, though - my son was
    out playing in the snow and came back laughing about all the 4 wheel
    drives that were spinning wildly in the streets (unable to go anywhere,
    pretty much.)  :>

    No,
    
    'twas the storm of 1975.  We actually got a foot.  fortunately for the
    trees, though there was wind with that storm.  
    
    IRH seeing a favorite bristlecone on Cascade looking like a blown out
    umbrella.  It literally looks like a banana peel.
    
    :-(
    
    meg

    Meg, I was still living in Honolulu in 1975 - back then, snow 
    was something they showed on TV once in awhile (with the phrase,
    "Lucky you live Hawaii...!!!")  :>:>
    
    [The lack of a preposition in front of the word 'Hawaii' is
    deliberate.]